AIBU to think a man accused of throwing a child into a crocodile enclosure should not get bail?

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Aibu to think the man who threw an unknown 3 year old into a crocodile enclosure shouldn't be out on bail?

If anyone could provide any insight into the reasoning behind why was granted bail I would be very interested to hear it.

AIBU: He's a danger to society
AINBU: Innocent until proven guilty

In a secure psychiatric ward

No, Imfine is responding to another’s post who appears to be suggesting all people with LD who need 2carers should be locked away forever to prevent any possible incident however minor or major

There is a certain element of impulsivity that I’m told even grown adults have (but don’t act on). Intrusive thoughts, I have not had them however I hear many people have thoughts about pushing people into trains, down stairs etc.

Completely neurotypical people.

He needs to be somewhere where he can’t harm anymore children!!

So staying where he lives now and not being taken out anywhere would work just as well.

The care agency will be investigated as well as the person who did this. He had 2:1 support and the carers did not prevent this happening.

Sorry but in my eyes, if you do the crime you must do the crime. How disabled can he be if he is capable of picking up a child and throwing them into an alligator pit?

Prison is not the place for an individual with special needs who require carers to go out.

I assume he is under the care of social services/health professionals and potentially in a secure unit while the investigation is taking place.

Try using your brain

This story has really upset me.

I posted a post on here a few weeks ago about a young man I saw out with a carer in town, the carer was in his phone and not watching the young man who ran off several times. I was jumped on and told not to assume the young man had autism and not to assume that the carer wasn’t watching him. As a parent to two adults with autism (one severe) I knew exactly what I was seeing, the carer was not watching or engaging with the young man.

What happened at the zoo could have been prevented. The young man was given 2:1 care so he obviously needed a high level of care. So why were they not watching him? Why did they allow him near a young child? Why didn’t a risk assessment flag him up as a risk to others?

I am upset that this has happened. But I think people are totally oblivious to how severe special needs, autism, brain injuries etc.. can affect peoples behaviours especially in a place where there could have been triggers such as noise. Should he have even been there knowing the risks?

Of course what he did was awful, but does he understand what he did? I very much doubt it. Would it be humane to keep a severely disabled man in custody? No it wouldn’t, he would likely harm himself.

As a parent to a severely autistic 20 year old I am petrified that if my daughter ever got let down by those who are supposed to care for her, if she did something wrong due to being in some kind of sensory overload whilst not being watched, that she would be seen as a criminal that needs dealing with in the most awful way (locked up). I spend all my time trying to keep my dd safe and this just reminds me that carers/strangers, can not be trusted to keep her safe. I don’t believe my dd could do something like this, she’s a little more able than this man, but you never know what may happen if they are triggered and in a stressful situation.

He was released on bail and was deemed as not fit to be interviewed, chances are he is non verbal and/or doesn’t have the skills to communicate what happened. People don’t seem to realise that people with his kind of needs do not have the understanding or the skills to communicate what they did or how they were feeling.

My heart goes out to the little boys family, it should never have happened. But I also feel for the family of the man who was let down by the people who were meant to keep him and others safe.

There probably are no suitable facilities to hold him.

I was attacked some years ago by an individual out for the day with his two male carers. It was pretty traumatic as I had my back to him so had no idea it was about to happen, luckily I got away with just bruises and a handful of hair missing but it still makes me angry now that he was able to do this, his carers excuses was they were distracted for a second looking at something so he was able to quickly lash out.
Afterwards it came out that yes it was a frequent occurrence that he tried to grab people but it wasn’t really reported as ‘ near misses’ where it could have made people aware it was an accident waiting to happen.

Disabled doesn’t always mean physically disabled. Your post just proves the lack of understanding when it comes to disability and learning disabilities. He probably has the mental age of a small child but the boy strength of a 30 year old……does that make more sense to you?

Very disabled
My son can be violent and unoredicatable
Hes 16 cannot speak at all can only commnicate on a very basic level has a very limited undeestanding of the world around
him
Hes never pkicked up a child but hes never had an oppertunity too plus hes tiny for his age.

Yes, Jonty Bravery. He told his carers he wanted to kill somebody and would like to throw someone off a tall building, his carers still took him to Tate modern and he threw a 6 year old boy off. He got a minimum of 15 years.
The 6 year old survived somehow

I remember a similar response with my cafe story that maybe the carers were some how supervising appropriately from afar, they'd have needed hidden cameras!

I also remember wishing that I could have emailed the right organisation to let them know that vulnerable people were being left unsupervised in public. The cafe manager probably wanted to do so as well but we didn't know the people's names or have anyway of tracking down who was responsible for looking after them.

Even if I was holding the hand of a young child somebody from behind could grab them and throw them anywhere.

I find your comment quite unpleasant. No doubt the parent will be blaming themselves. And it will be made worse by people like you commenting.

What are his bail conditions?

Oh the carers needs investigating without a doubt. Negligence at least.

I think this is a very sensible idea and should be undertaken straight after we've locked up every parent and step parents in the country (parents and step parents being statistically far more likely to injure a child).

I’m sorry but you do realise that people can be profoundly cognitively disabled but still be physically able bodied right? Disabled people don’t come as a one size model.

Do you know whether there was any evidence that he might do such a thing?

This is such a good post. This applies to so many ares of society at the moment.

Don’t be silly. They are just saying that you can’t lock up everybody with an intellectual disability in the country just because a few may commit violent acts.

It might be about his mental state and cognitive ability , physically he might be strong.