To think if Keir Starmer is ousted there should be a general election

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I think the set-up should be changed and if the PM is voted out by his party then there needs to be a general election. I didn't vote for very left wing policies which will happen if Andy Burnham replaces the PM. And neither would have I ever voted for the dreadful Liz Truss who must be the absolute worst PM we've ever had.

we didn’t for the appalling Boris and truss who are the main reason the country is currently f*ed. my gut is no because I fear reform but thinking of truss I don’t think that nightmare would have happened with a GE. I can’t believe how angry people are with Starmer after what the Tory’s did

Are people really so angry with him personally though?

the Labour government has disappointed me because they are playing politics - all the u turns and the fear of their MPs leading to dithering. But this leadership battle is just more playing politics

wouldn’t it be great if at least one of the party’s could put the country first. This constant infighting is playing into reforms hands

Why can't people be angry with both?

All being viewed from our enemies who must be rubbing their hands. Now would be the time to strike in the absence of any serious leadership.

Who would our enemies be, pray tell ?

Well that’s what Labour thought when the Tories were in power. But now it’s them they don’t seem to.

Problem with people in power is that they can do what they want and the qualities it takes to get into power are frequently grim.

Go back through the country's warfare records.

We haven't the time. Maybe the top 100 ?

Yes it is a rather long list. It’s shorter to make a list of countries the British haven’t invaded or attacked

As a floating voter who didn't vote for Labour (wouldn't have got my incumbent long-term MP out) I was happy to have a change to a Labour govt and some much needed subsequent changes.

Very disappointed I am and so many Labour voters must be thinking that even more. So I'm quite happy to give Burnham a go.

YABU OP, the electorate voted for a Labour Govt in the last GE, they're not even half way through their term, so I'd like to see how they operate with a more left-leaning leader.

He’s so good now because he’s been an incredibly successful, popular, and high profile mayor for Manchester. He has shown excellent leadership and really got things done up there. I actually like Starmer but I can see that he’s too clever clever to be popular - he’s the class swot basically. Burnham is a doer, and he’ll be visible about it.

That’s because they inherited the Tory budget commitments for 25-26 set in April 25, before they took over in May 😂 They didn’t actually make those savings themselves. 26-27 will be more interesting.

27/28 is forecast to be £11m deficit, rising to £25m deficit in 28/29.

Do you not know how this works?

If you tallied up all of Starmer's initial decisions, I think he got a lot more right than wrong (not saying there havent been bad ones, mind). What he hasn't been able to do is convince enough of his party on the more difficult-to-swallow ones.

That is a shortcoming on his part though, given his hefty majority.

Others that he did push through, like means testing the winter fuel allowance, he u-turned on because of how unpopular they were, and how unpopular he has been. If he had more political capital, he could have held steady.

I feel a bit badly for him, tbh. He's been good on international affairs, and would probably have done just fine as PM in less economically challenging times. It's a charisma thing - you need bags of it, and the ability to lay out a confident vision for the future - in tougher times.

He's undeserving of the hate he's received, but does not tick all the boxes needed for the current moment.

Yes a "doer" for benefit claimants and trade unions. His back bench will already be circling.

I’m not sure burnham ticks any more boxes than Starmer - maybe just different ones.

this country is in a downward economic spiral and it’s going to be hard to reverse it - I don’t think burnham has suggested anything that makes me think he is going to be able to do any better

He’s already stated one of his key aims is to get young people off benefits and into employment. The trade unions represent working people.

The unions represent themselves. We’re in a situation where we have too many people only interested in personal power and gain

KS has gone but he delivered a good speech and I think it’s a shame. I hope AB will prove me wrong but I’m not hopeful he’s going to manage anything better - particularly if he makes Ed Milliband chancellor.

Running a country is a bit different from running a city.

Unions obviously represent themselves and they’re composed of working people whose subscriptions fund them.

Burnham is going to get the same vitriol as Starmer.

If by “themselves” then yes, obviously, they exist to represent their members.

As many have already said, we don't vote for a Prime Minister, we vote for an MP and the party with a majority of MPs forms a government.

Now, there is always a tweet. Have seen several receipts from KS himself, Angela Rayner and others saying that Sunak/May/Johnson/Truss had no mandate and should go to the country. Now? Silence. If any Tories call for a GE now they are displaying the same hypocrisy if they stayed quiet in that 2016-22 period.

You know what I mean. That hotel/conference centre debacle says it all. And the way they are happy to throw members under the bus for their own ends.

I don’t think Labour and the unions have caught up with who working people are in the current economy

if AB can sort out the current employment crisis for young people then that will be a success because we are risking a lost generation at this rate