AIBU to see this case as the real two tier policing in practice?

[Allisnotlost1]

To think this is an example of the real two tier policing:
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15907467/Former-detective-helped-smuggle-drugs-blades-prison-drones-escapes-jail-judge-heard-breastfeeding-youngest-four-children.html

Ex copper, woman at that, commits serious crime and funds a great lifestyle, when it comes to it she pisses off home and the men go to prison. Prisons that are awash with drugs by the way, because of shitbags like her.

So, IABU - two tier policing is either not a thing or is only about race

IANBU - two tier policing actually very often benefits white women and people in positions of power more than anyone else.

No it is about the presentencing reports that allow some social factors to be treated as mitigating factors in sentencing.

She did have mitigating factors considered

I haven’t read the article but breastfeeding at 52?! Seriously? How old is the kid?

Well-known only to you.

This is true - largely attributed to childcare responsibilities (eg. in this case) and lower recidivism rates.

They do receive longer suspended sentences though.

Yet another reason for men to step up and start pulling their weight at home?

I have seen women who murder partners getting less than if men do it.

Can you clarify that you mean by an ‘oppressed racial demographic’?

Are you suggesting that in the UK we oppress Chinese, Nigerian, South Asian, Sikh or Muslim people?

And who knows what they mean by cultural minority. I looked it up and this is definition that came up. This could arguably include goths or nihilists or the entire Green Party.

On what grounds are goths, Chinese or Sikh oppressed in the UK? It looks to me like Sikhs and Muslims are very much not oppressed as they even have special privileges not available to the rest of us.

Cultural minorities refer to groups within a society that possess distinct norms, values, and worldviews that differ from those of the majority culture, often gaining particular attention in discussions about sociocultural support and experiences.

If you had studied law as I have, you'd know there are dozens of cases where is very much the reverse, particularly when the partner/spouse is the victim.

Also, wasn’t it 3 ‘minority’ boys who walked away from court free after raping two girls?

That is something badly wrong with our justice system if a short lived tweet carries a three year jail sentence but 11 counts of rape do not.

Quite a heinous example of two tier justice I’d say.

Prosecutors said the assaults in Fordingbridge, Hampshire, in 2024 and 2025, were "brazenly filmed" on phones and showed the boys laughing and encouraging each other.
Two of the boys were 14 when they carried out their attacks, the third boy was 13 when he aided and abetted the assaults on the second girl. Among other sanctions, the boys were given Youth Rehabilitation Orders and walked out of court with 11 rape convictions between them.

So if you came from an insular cultural minority, that might have some bearing on why you made the choices that you did over other ones.

When it comes to mitigating factors, they aren't always relevant so aren't always considered.

It is individual to each case.

So in this case, it was likely inappropriate to consider such factors. There is guidance that says for some crimes, none of these characteristics matter. I think they specify "some violent crimes".

Eg https://ceps.blogs.bristol.ac.uk/2021/11/17/gender-stereotypes-see-female-criminals-fare-better-in-court/

Can you provide examples please

You haven’t answers my question though. You claimed that it is because these groups are oppressed in the U.K.

What ‘oppression’ should give groups as random as goths or Nigerians, Chinese this right to special consideration?

That was to @DontBuyAnotherBook

You might want to look up the definition of the word 'sympathy' as well as the word 'policing' (because as already explained the police have no impact or influencing on sentencing, they carried out their job, investigated her and brought the case to the CPS, everything after that was out of their hands), literally nobody has said 'poor woman' or anything similar.

Pointing out the discrepancies in your illogical argument doesn't equate to sympathy for the criminal.

It depends on the circumstance. I am not going to argue with you about the existence of racism as much as it would turn you on.

...in France. WTF has that got to go with policing in the UK? It's bugger all to do with the subject matter of the thread.

Try this based on the England and Wales criminal justice system.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/eve-was-framed/helena-kennedy/9780099224419

You do have an unpleasant way with words.

It’s sweet of you to argue that as a member of an ethnic minority I am automatically oppressed and tbf I do feel a bit oppressed by the number of incomers and second homeowners driving out me and mine and appropriating my ethnicity but it does seem a bit excessive.

It doesn't say if she did much beyond know about it, spend the money and be married to the guy doing it. It looks like she wouldn't have been involved if he wasn't and he would have done the exact same thing if he wasn't married. Not blameless, but you can hardly say it's the same crime.

Also, mitigating circumstances is not the same as two tier policing. The judge knows that there are four children here, with dad going to prison already. It's unlikely she will reoffend (especially as a single mum to all four kids) so in balance it makes sense to have her be able to care for their kids.

The suggestion that she might have got pregnant to avoid going to prison shows what the judge really thinks of her.

Yes as an ethnic minority, you are subject to racism. You don't have to be as Black as me to understand that, just need to be of average intelligence.

Two tier policing is a thing and has been for decades.

But most people ignore the data on the topic and instead let their emotions guide their views.

You’re right, I posted the wrong link. Though I don’t think it’s entirely irrelevant that this trend is seen in other countries. Here’s evidence from England and Wales: https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/154388/14/Gender%2520Discrimination_23%2520August.pdf

I agree with some of your points, but she was serving police officer at the time of the conspiracy so even if she simply knew and didn’t tell (and enjoyed the profits) that for me is an egregious breach of trust and duty.

She offended as a mother of three, including one disabled child and, as you point out, used the proceeds of crime to fund IVF for the fourth. Hardly contrite.