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To think workplaces are getting more and more insane

67 replies

CurdinHenry · 17/06/2026 00:15

As more and more of them promote idiots well beyond their capabilities?

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CarelessWimper · 17/06/2026 08:51

My priority promotes firstly on who sucks up to management and then if there is no one in that category (for regional jobs) it is who is the cheapest person who will do as they are told.

Anyone who questions any daft policy or comments when we don’t replace necessary staff or makes constructive suggestions is black listed. Most of the capable managers have left and if I wasn’t planning on leaving soon, I would have left. It’s a complete mess and like others, it’s a priority to save money regardless of the effect

DeathNote11 · 17/06/2026 08:59

I work in a very busy profession. We've just got a new manager whose "non working day" is our busiest day. And that day is Friday, when not having an accessible manager means we finish up working unpaid overtime into our weekend. All but 2 in our team are working our notice & 1 of the 2 remainers is interviewing. Senior management are panicking.

5128gap · 17/06/2026 09:15

I think there can be issues when people are given senior roles on the basis of a selection process that weighs qualifications and education in 'leadership' and/or transferable skills in an unrelated sector more highly than experience and knowledge of the industry itself.
These managers often try to apply a theoretical blue print to tasks and problems which isn't always appropriate.
Staff with experience who understand the operations often feel they are being forced in a direction they already know won't work, so conclude the manager is useless.
This could be avoided if managers who understand leadership but lack technical knowledge/experience would listen to staff.
It also happens in reverse when a person is promoted to leadership solely on the basis of high performance in the job itself, without recognition that management requires a different skill set.

TunnocksOrDeath · 17/06/2026 09:15

In my industry the number of roles at the lower grades has been absolutely hollowed out in the past 25 years by improvements in IT, particularly automated processing of data. So functions are being combined, but this means that managers in my last organisation who came up one route are managing staff in combined depts doing work these managers have no experience with. Consequently a LOT of the decisions impacting my team were sub-optimal financially and in terms of effectiveness…not because of à lack of talent but because of a lack of relevant experience.

MrsShawnHatosy · 17/06/2026 09:26

Caffeineneedednow · 17/06/2026 07:00

Not sure if this is what you are talking about but recently had a conversation about the levels of stupid middle management in my work. There are now 6 levels of leadership where we used to have 2. No increase in staff.
It just makes doing anything more complicated. Also the amount of people doing the actual job is reduced as they are all in these leadership roles so the brunt of the job goes onto the lower levels of staff.

This is all in an industry having mass redundancies due to underfunding. Ahh it does my fucking head in.

Thanks for the rant space and sorry if this was not actually the point if the thread.

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians as they used to say.

MrsShawnHatosy · 17/06/2026 09:29

CarelessWimper · 17/06/2026 08:51

My priority promotes firstly on who sucks up to management and then if there is no one in that category (for regional jobs) it is who is the cheapest person who will do as they are told.

Anyone who questions any daft policy or comments when we don’t replace necessary staff or makes constructive suggestions is black listed. Most of the capable managers have left and if I wasn’t planning on leaving soon, I would have left. It’s a complete mess and like others, it’s a priority to save money regardless of the effect

Oh yes. Express any reservation about any new policy or process and you’re branded “negative” at best, “a troublemaker” at worst.

Lobelia123 · 17/06/2026 09:34

MrsShawnHatosy · 17/06/2026 09:26

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians as they used to say.

Weve just had a very refreshing new approach in our recent pay cycle...HR has determinded that we have too many managers and not enough workers, and hence salary increases for workers are prioritised over those for managers. Its caused a bit of an uproar, but I commend the courage of the policy makers who are trying to correct the balance. Although I still have four official bosses who all want results and output from me, it is nevertheless gratifying that the imbalance has been noted and they are trying to do something about it.

Thundertoast · 17/06/2026 09:38

Ive had a lot of good managers but currently have one who should not be managing people and who says all the right things and says he wants feedback/ideas but is really only happy if you smile sweetly and say everything's great, in a management team too inexperienced to understand that the HR guidelines and company direction for performance/goals are open to sensible interpretation and not be taken wholesale, in a bigger team that are enthusiastically and well-intentioned-ly doing a load of wellbeing stuff straight out of 2018.

Bluedenimdoglover · 17/06/2026 12:41

Posted after midnight .....nothing else said. Doesn't merit any discussion.

TheIdlerReturns · 17/06/2026 15:06

Bit general

Retunue · 17/06/2026 15:07

CurdinHenry · 17/06/2026 00:15

As more and more of them promote idiots well beyond their capabilities?

It’s an immutable rule of the workplace that people are promoted to their level of incompetence. Someone is brilliant at their job, which is a sign they should be promoted, but may well be crap at management. The test for promotion should be whether they have the skills necessary to be good managers.

UnprofessionalColleague · 17/06/2026 15:12

Thundertoast · 17/06/2026 09:38

Ive had a lot of good managers but currently have one who should not be managing people and who says all the right things and says he wants feedback/ideas but is really only happy if you smile sweetly and say everything's great, in a management team too inexperienced to understand that the HR guidelines and company direction for performance/goals are open to sensible interpretation and not be taken wholesale, in a bigger team that are enthusiastically and well-intentioned-ly doing a load of wellbeing stuff straight out of 2018.

I recently had a manager who in a morning meeting said “this is what you all need to do. If you don’t like it, there’s the door and you can just fck off. Anyone? Go on, just fck off”.

Someone reported him, but he’s still there.

He also told us we had to work late one night, past the park n ride last bus in the middle of winter. I said it wasn’t fair and that some of my younger female colleagues said they were going to do the 40 min walk in the dark to the buses.

Got told not his problem, as soon as we leave the premises it’s not their issue.

He’s still there!

SweetnsourNZ · 17/06/2026 15:15

I think the older you get, the more you realise it.

MinistryofMom · 17/06/2026 15:18

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 17/06/2026 08:04

Absolutely. I've just been made redundant by a complete idiot of a CEO who thought he could use a restructure to get rid of my boss and change my WFH contract to in office. We're both senior managers.

We've both negotiated very generous exit packages and he's realized that he's absolutely screwed when we leave next month unless by some miracle he can get someone half decent to replace us both. Not looking great for him as it's a very niche sector with a ridiculously specific skill set and between us, we have 50+ years of experience.

Luckily for me, my management skills are pretty transferable and various bits of my niche skills are pretty desirable (and rare) so I should get something fairly quickly. And in the meantime, I have my exit package. The CEO is already backtracking somewhat and has asked us both if we'd consider doing some consultancy work for the company if he needs us after our end dates. Dickhead of the first order.

Oh please report back that you've offered them your consultancy services at £££ per hour, enabling you to do max. 16 hours a week for similar wage while looking for a better opportunity...

I've no idea what get people promoted at my place but there's some real oddballs in powerful positions. I raised an issue in the spirit of keeping my old boss out of prison (which was also my job) and left the department because it got so frosty.

ChaosQueenDarkfang · 17/06/2026 15:39

Safety absolutely crucial and should be #1 priority and for all intents and purposes it is. Can’t go into too much detail or it will be outing, but we have technology that needs updating yesterday and code language only one person in the entire country understands. Can’t switch things off to do so, so it’s not an easy task and requires far more people, time and investment than it has at the moment.

So instead of pumping any and all spare cash, resource, etc into all the things we need to do to modernise, Execs decide to hire a consultancy firm (with masses of our own resource taken up to support them) to “fix” some processes which were not entirely broken and could have been largely solved if people stopped working in silos and just communicated with one another better.

Millions down the pan, absolutely zero improvement.

ChaosQueenDarkfang · 17/06/2026 15:57

Sorry, ment to add that this is largely due to consultancy taking up space and coming in from outside with their “big ideas” rather than promoting internal people who understand how the business actually works.

TygerBread · 17/06/2026 16:50

Public Sector, promotion is mainly a combination of being matey with managers and being confident. The actual ability within the job isn’t relevant, because anything the incompetent person can’t do gets delegated to the poor sods below who are stressed out and overworked.

I’ve seen employees that spend 50% of their time on training/conferences to ‘develop’, 25% of their time in meetings where all they do is either hang back and pretend to be absorbing or put forward stupid ideas that others are then forced to implement, and the remaining 25% chatting about their personal lives and making themselves cups of coffee…and these are the people who are first in line for promotions.

I’ve also seen restructures happen during a recruitment freeze where for example the department has been told to knock £100k off their budget…but due to leaving posts vacant when people left throughout the year, they actually already are running £150k under their book value of their budget…so they use the restructure as a means of deleting roles and ringfencing them onto higher grades to give their 5 favourites a £10k pay rise each…then announce their restructure was a success as it’s ‘saved’ £100k…without acknowledging that the posts that were already empty were causing some people to be overworked…what they do is delete those empty posts, shuffle the teams around and give managers new ‘responsibilities’ to justify their grade increases, and then close the gap in duties not covered by just adding it in under ‘any other duties’ and ‘role not changed more than 10% so we don’t need to reevaluate’…to add that extra work formally onto people who aren’t getting paid extra in acknowledgement for it.

As a specific example, I’ve had a manger who got an upgrade due to having responsibly for department performance reporting added to their role. But…they didn’t know how to build/create reports and manipulate data, didn’t understand basic statistics….so ALL of that work was delegated onto me, which I was already doing anyway, even though it wasn’t in my role profile. The only change being that instead of distributing performance data myself, I then had to email the reports first to this manager, who then copied them into a fresh email and sent them out themselves….making it appear they were doing the work. The crazy thing is that the senior managers KNEW I did that work before promoting this manager to take responsibility for it, and were happy with what I did and happy for me to continue doing the work in the background. The real reason the manager got the upgrade was that their partner was very high up in another department and was frequently in meetings with the upper manager of my department. I then got told I wasn’t being a ‘team player’ when I suggested that I should just be doing the technical part of pulling data from the system on request, and the promoted person should be doing analysis, report writing and also making any suggestions for any new datasets needed or process changes…seeing as all of that was now listed clearly in their role profile.

I’ve also seen someone get put on day release for a uni course immediately after starting, when others have been been on a waiting list (as they only allowed 1 person per year due to funding), because they had a parent that was a local politician.

I would think public sector (excluding roles with very specific performance requirements such as doctors and nurses) are all generally like this. How well you do in terms of promotion is much more about how much managers like you or how well connected you are, rather than anything related to performance.

Often managers have huge amounts of responsibility listed to warrant their £55k salaries, but when you look at what they actually do…the vast majority of it is just having 1-2-1s with the staff who actually do the work and getting confirmation from them that everything is running smoothly, or taking ideas from those staff to senior meetings. They wouldn’t know how to do any of the things they are listed as responsible for.

BeachTimeIsBliss · 17/06/2026 17:22

northernballer · 17/06/2026 07:46

I think as minimum.wage has risen there is less incentive to move into junior management as the pay hasn't increased at the same rate. At our place noone wants the team leader type roles as they only pay slightly more than the people they are managing so most good people don't want the extra stress for little reward. The people who do get those roles just like the power and are wholly unsuitable for management in a lot of cases.

Where I work my line manager is actually paid less than one of the people she manages. She was fuming when she realised 😆

BeachTimeIsBliss · 17/06/2026 17:32

UnprofessionalColleague · 17/06/2026 15:12

I recently had a manager who in a morning meeting said “this is what you all need to do. If you don’t like it, there’s the door and you can just fck off. Anyone? Go on, just fck off”.

Someone reported him, but he’s still there.

He also told us we had to work late one night, past the park n ride last bus in the middle of winter. I said it wasn’t fair and that some of my younger female colleagues said they were going to do the 40 min walk in the dark to the buses.

Got told not his problem, as soon as we leave the premises it’s not their issue.

He’s still there!

Edited

The trouble with that is it encourages men to be employed/promoted over women if employers think women are scared of the dark.

Slimanda · 17/06/2026 17:57

My tale of woe from my Public Sector 'outfit'
Two people brought to the office to give them a break from their department. They both decided they liked our department with the 'nice men and women' and even though they genuinely could not perform in the department fully because they need a degree of technology to DO THE WORK, the manager employed both of them instead of putting out an advert for someone who could actuality DO THE WORK. So now me and the other programmers do our work AND THEIR work. Literally because they cannot program and don't/can't work! Fucking incredible! I went through 2 vigorous interviews to get where I am, yet they 'drifted' in. So angry because the job was lovely before 😥

Slimanda · 17/06/2026 18:01

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 17/06/2026 08:04

Absolutely. I've just been made redundant by a complete idiot of a CEO who thought he could use a restructure to get rid of my boss and change my WFH contract to in office. We're both senior managers.

We've both negotiated very generous exit packages and he's realized that he's absolutely screwed when we leave next month unless by some miracle he can get someone half decent to replace us both. Not looking great for him as it's a very niche sector with a ridiculously specific skill set and between us, we have 50+ years of experience.

Luckily for me, my management skills are pretty transferable and various bits of my niche skills are pretty desirable (and rare) so I should get something fairly quickly. And in the meantime, I have my exit package. The CEO is already backtracking somewhat and has asked us both if we'd consider doing some consultancy work for the company if he needs us after our end dates. Dickhead of the first order.

Consult with them for £65 an hour or whatever would make you the same dosh. Fuck em!!!!!!

LlynTegid · 17/06/2026 18:04

I don't think this is anything new.

Think of the Lions led by Donkeys, used to describe the army in the First World War.

Watermelonsugar44 · 17/06/2026 19:08

Yanbu if you are referring to the nhs or education as it seems to be part of for the course

EamonnFyre · 17/06/2026 19:09

MostlyGhostly · 17/06/2026 07:09

In the organization where I used to work there was a general consensus that people were promoted based on their levels of sycophancy to the directors.

Definitely this.

Screamingabdabz · 17/06/2026 19:16

In my job all the people who are promoted to the top have to be white, speak with an RP voice and have firmly middle class signifiers. They all have to be grabby pole climbers who don’t need the money but want everyone to see the letters after their names which they put prominently in their email signature and on LinkedIn where they love ‘reaching out’ to similarly positioned wankers who lack any self awareness or humility.

They’re all useless at the job but that doesn’t matter a jot apparently. 🙄