Will children still be allowed YouTube on the family TV with this new social media ban?

[HangingHeather]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m really pleased about this social media ban for under 16s.

But my DS is 7 and AUDHD, we have a YouTube account on the family TV which is in my name. He doesn’t have any access to these things on his own personal device. However we will allow him to watch YouTube on the main family TV because he enjoys watching things that are linked to his hyperfocus/interest at the time. As he cycles through each specific topic.

Will this still be allowed if we let him watch on the main family TV or will it be illegal to do so? It does keep him regulated and we are always present to keep an eye on what he’s accessing.

Probably they perceive the site to be a safe space for nonces?

Yes, I think it is fine for younger kids. But for my 10 or 12yo, for example, there is very little available on YT Kids that they want to watch. It is definitely aimed at under 7s, and the e.g. guitar tutorials that they want to see just aren't on there.

Currently they watch You Tube, signed in via Google Family Link, with an age filter of 9+, a limit of 1 hour, and auto-play disabled. I don't see what it wrong with that, really.

Now, I will get the choice of bypassing the rules and letting them use my unfiltered adult account, or just not giving them access. Which seems harsh - they are doing nothing wrong.

I know what you mean, but this is on the main TV in the living room and one of us is usually around. She doesn't tend to watch the shorts anyway, she likes craft videos or watching others playing Roblox games for tips!

She recently asked me actually why she can't chat on Roblox. I said that is staying disabled no argument!!

to target the kids that are not on there but are on discord and snapchat?

How do people manage to convince themselves that the world outside is an awful place where no child should ever be allowed unsupervised, but that the Internet is a happy friendly funland and the very idea of controlling children's use of it is terrible and totalitarian?

I don't believe either thing. I believe that we need to teach our children to navigate safely through the world, both physically and online.

Why can’t they play out? Children play out regularly where I am

Many, many parents are naive at best and dumb at worst to the risks of the internet though and allow them to navigate it alone far earlier than they would the real world, even though many times the risks will be far greater.

Digital ID already exists in many forms and in fact, your details already sit across a number of systems. Have you got the NHS app? Ever applied for a passport renewal/been on holiday/applied for a visa or changed your address on your driving licence? Got a mortgage or loan or references for a rental agreement? Hired a car? All of the above require ID, nearly all in digital form.

Most social media platforms have enough data about you- before any official ID- to create fake IDs (using AI for images) and profiles, they can even build a fake history of your life- so official ID as part of your account may even help you in future, if you ever need to prove who you really are?

Apple recently said it needed to verify my age (no idea why) but that since my appleid was ancient it was clear I had to be over the age of 18 and I didn’t have to do anything else.

LOADS of documentaries and science stuff on YouTube.

It gives you what you ask for.

Which for me is follow along crochet vids so i don't have to read a pattern.

Certainly not a brainrot only site.

Ok again how are people not grasping that its quite different to have it on a system secure and with security in place to hold this data compared to a social media company. I have first hand experience with how many companies are not secure enough and have data leaks.

Its one thing to have your data in places its necessary such as banking, NHS, DVLA etc its quite another to hand it over for social media.

Im not against handing over data when its secure and absolutely necessary, but for social media and without knowing how securely thats held, absolutely not. You want to hand it over, go nuts and thats up to you. But my data being held where absolutely necessary and securely isnt the same as just chucking it any old place. You would not believe the lack of security in some places and I am just not willing to trust sensitive data in any place I dont need to. Handing over secure ID is quite different to a website having my date of birth and its a worry people don't seem to grasp the difference.

Let's be honest if your data is already out there, why not just chuck a picture of your passport and driving licence up here right now. You won't, why not, its not necessary and a risk. The difference is I view ID being given for social media a bigger risk than you do, so I wont do it.

You speak to anyone within IT and cyber security and the more in it they are, the more cautious they generally are because they see the risks, the breaches and the flaws in the systems. Unfortunately the more systems your data is in, the bigger the risk.

You have no clue right now where or how that data would be held, and for me its just not a risk worth taking. I am very very cautious about what I put out and where, everyone decides the risk they are willing to take with their data. For me social media access is not worth handing over any sensitive data so if my ID is the price for social media access, im not willing to risk it. You make those choices for yourself but I have seen too many breaches to even risk handing that over where it is not absolutely necessary.

But don’t then?
Social media access isn’t a human right, if you don’t agree with the terms to sign up and use the platform, some of them coming from the company/ some of them coming from government regulations, then don’t use it then. Thats your choice.

No shit sherlock! Thats literally what ive repeatedly said. I am not willing to risk it and so I wont. But cheers for stating the obvious!

She was talking about YouTube kids which is very brain rotty at best and at worst has very weird algorithm made videos that are quite disturbing.
The worst part about YouTube proper is the shorts which I don't think you can disable and which it will keep trying to push on youbwhen scrolling the site. Very addictive and brain rotty.

Not even the government seems to know the details so I doubt MN can help

Aaaah, I didn't get that from the comment.

Agree re reels - YouTube are clearly trying to piggyback off of their success on FB & Insta but they just don't work on there, do they?

Definitely annoying.

Oh is that why YT have introduced messaging?! Haha I wondered why that popped up. Reckon just make sure it's supervised use because people on YT are weird and there are so many bots.

This is just nonsense. You can't supervise your kids 24/7 and it's their peers who do the real influencing and have the real impact anyway. The stuff they can see online, and get conditioned to seeing and have normalised is vile. About time we banned social media and went back to living like actual humans. In the real world.

Yes. In fact parent scan help their kids get round all of it if they really can’t be bothering parenting.