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Ckear support for proscribed terrorist groups must be treated very seriously

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:10

72 pro Palestine protesters arrested outside a court in London for showing support for proscribed terrorist organisations.

Doesn't help our society and doesn't help people thousands of miles away. Fed up with individuals showing support for terrorist groups. Peaceful protest but its crossing the line actually supporting proscribed groups. It further divides our already polarised society.

Sky News today.

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:11

My name change is due to World Cup not anything else!

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Doesitfloat · Yesterday 16:12

Agree

Preppercorn · Yesterday 16:17

It's just so performative.

ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:18

Didn't realise in court were idiots who think smashing things up and assaulting a police officer with a sledgehammer is appropriate in order to 'free' Palestine 🙄

https://news.sky.com/story/palestine-action-latest-hundreds-gather-to-protest-outside-court-as-activists-face-sentencing-13553239

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PermanentTemporary · Yesterday 16:22

Perhaps useful to find out why so many ordinary men and women are willing to face arrest for this and support these organisations?

Frankly I wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole but my friends 79 year old mum has been arrested, so has my 62 year old friend and another 58 year old.

ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:22

"A terrorism sentence carries restrictions that stay with a person for the rest of their life."

Easy to avoid - stop showing support for terrorist organisations. Simple.

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:23

PermanentTemporary · Yesterday 16:22

Perhaps useful to find out why so many ordinary men and women are willing to face arrest for this and support these organisations?

Frankly I wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole but my friends 79 year old mum has been arrested, so has my 62 year old friend and another 58 year old.

Yes why do people happily bang the drum for terrorist organisations? Odd thing to do.

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IamnotSethRogan · Yesterday 16:29

Firstly in February 2026, the High Court ruled that the government's proscription of Palestone action as a terrorist organisation was "disproportionate and unlawful," as it doesn't really meet a lot of the guidelines for a prescribed terrorist group.

Every bad event in the world happens while people close their eyes and ignore it. It's fine that it's not an issue that you care about but people do feel strongly about it and for good reason.

The suffragettes were considered terrorists.

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · Yesterday 16:31

They are an odd group aren't they?
Hard line Islamists, raging anti semites and attention seeking middle class 'hippies' who love the drama. Look at the smug self righteousness of them as they are carried off, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't for the raging antisemitism blighting our country at the moment.

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 16:45

There's a lot of legal opinion and a high court ruling that Palestine Action should not be classed as a terrorist organization. So it's not as simple as "don't support terrorist organizations." A lot of supporters were supporters before it was banned and don't consider themselves terrorists or sympathisers.

ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:52

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · Yesterday 16:31

They are an odd group aren't they?
Hard line Islamists, raging anti semites and attention seeking middle class 'hippies' who love the drama. Look at the smug self righteousness of them as they are carried off, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't for the raging antisemitism blighting our country at the moment.

Indeed, raging antisemitism isn't something that appears to bother them.

Indeed, they are very self righteous in their following of a proscribed terrorist organisation. Is it so difficult to support Palestinians without supporting terrorist organisations?

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:53

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 16:45

There's a lot of legal opinion and a high court ruling that Palestine Action should not be classed as a terrorist organization. So it's not as simple as "don't support terrorist organizations." A lot of supporters were supporters before it was banned and don't consider themselves terrorists or sympathisers.

Promotion of hatred, criminal damage to 'further' their cause, chanting hatred in slogans, doesn't sound a great thing to do.

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:54

IamnotSethRogan · Yesterday 16:29

Firstly in February 2026, the High Court ruled that the government's proscription of Palestone action as a terrorist organisation was "disproportionate and unlawful," as it doesn't really meet a lot of the guidelines for a prescribed terrorist group.

Every bad event in the world happens while people close their eyes and ignore it. It's fine that it's not an issue that you care about but people do feel strongly about it and for good reason.

The suffragettes were considered terrorists.

"Governments and international bodies strictly define "terrorist organizations" by their engagement in violence, intent to cause harm, and efforts to further ideological or political goals. Rather than guidelines for operating, these groups are defined by criminal codes and restricted by strict national and global laws."

If the cap fits!

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 16:56

Governments and international bodies strictly define "terrorist organizations" by:

  1. their engagement in violence - tick
  2. intent to cause harm - tick
  3. efforts to further ideological or political goals .....
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HobGobblynne · Yesterday 17:00

What’s the AIBU?

LilyLemonade · Yesterday 17:00

Palestine Action should never have been designated as a terrorist group.

I don't like PA and people could find other ways to support the Palestinan cause, but the proscription was ridiculously disproportionate and a mistake by the government.

ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 17:02

LilyLemonade · Yesterday 17:00

Palestine Action should never have been designated as a terrorist group.

I don't like PA and people could find other ways to support the Palestinan cause, but the proscription was ridiculously disproportionate and a mistake by the government.

Many disagree. They for the 3 basic acts required. The violence alone is really unnecessary.

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FSCEme · Yesterday 17:06

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · Yesterday 16:31

They are an odd group aren't they?
Hard line Islamists, raging anti semites and attention seeking middle class 'hippies' who love the drama. Look at the smug self righteousness of them as they are carried off, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't for the raging antisemitism blighting our country at the moment.

Describing them as Islamists tells me all I need to know, lol. It gives off the vibe that you are the type that would’ve called the suffragettes and slavery protestors “terrorists” too.

”islamists” 🤣 when many of the arrested are non Muslim, white, privileged and nothing to do with Islam as a religion.

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · Yesterday 17:09

@FSCEme that is literally what I say, an odd group to stand together. Like the Green party. I think the hilarity is odd, you know Jewish people have been killed recently in the UK?

FSCEme · Yesterday 17:11

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · Yesterday 17:09

@FSCEme that is literally what I say, an odd group to stand together. Like the Green party. I think the hilarity is odd, you know Jewish people have been killed recently in the UK?

Yes I know Jewish people have been killed and it’s unacceptable, abhorrent. I also know Muslims have been and are currently been killed or attacked based partly on the colour of their skin or their ethnicity. It’s not a competition.

and no, you called them “Islamists” which like I said is very telling about your prejudice. Perhaps you don’t feel strongly enough about injustice to be able to understand why people are reacting so shockingly to the genocide in Palestine (and other genocides across the world right now).

ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 17:16

Police have arrested 72 protesters after a Palestine Action demonstration outside of court ahead of the sentencing of four activists convicted of criminal damage.

Charlotte Head, 30, Samuel Corner, 23, Leona Kamio, 30, and Fatema Rajwani, 21, are due to be sentenced later for their involvement in a raid at a UK site of an Israel-based defence firm near Bristol in August 2024.

Mr Justice Johnson told Woolwich Crown Court the £1.2m worth of damage at Elbit Systems was "not trivial or minor" and the group will be sentenced on the basis it had a "terrorist connection".

Corner was also convicted of causing grievous bodily harm after he fractured Sgt Kate Evans' spine with a sledgehammer in the raid.

Mr Justice Johnson ruled that the actions of the offenders amounted to serious damage to influence the government and to intimidate a section of the public in order to advance their cause.

"I am bound to find that the offence in each case had a terrorist connection and to apply that as an aggravating factor increasing the seriousness of the offence," he told the court

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InFreeFall · Yesterday 17:17

So protesting at an ongoing genocide is terrorism?

ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 17:17

"Corner was also convicted of causing grievous bodily harm after he fractured Sgt Kate Evans' spine with a sledgehammer in the raid."

That offence alone should make people feel full of revulsion. He could have seriously disabled the police officer who was called to investigate a break in.

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ENGLANDalltheway · Yesterday 17:19

InFreeFall · Yesterday 17:17

So protesting at an ongoing genocide is terrorism?

You know it isn't.

Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation is though.

Criminal damage in the name of a proscribed terrorist group.... seriously assaulting a police officer with a SLEDGEHAMMER is pretty inexcusable. 🙄

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HobGobblynne · Yesterday 17:49

@ENGLANDalltheway why did you ask if the PP was aware Jewish people had been killed in the UK, what was the relevance of that on the context of this conversation?