To think men should not be allowed to be gynaecologists

[CaragianettE]

Just that, really. Saw one last week. He was trying to be helpful, but I really really really don’t want to discuss ‘do you get clots’ ‘do you experience flooding’ ‘do you find intercourse painful’ with a strange man. Yes it would be awkward with a strange woman too, but at least I know she likely has some lived experience of what we are talking about. TBH I also question men’s motives for choosing this job, not just the licence to look at strange women’s vaginas, but I think there’s something deep in the male psyche that just loves laying down the law to women about their reproductive systems. It’s a job for a woman, and while I know men were allowed to train for it in the past, I think they should now be phased out.

I agree with you. Everyone should absolutely have a choice (male/female/specific practitioner/chaperone...) and have a right to feel comfortable during a vulnerable medical exam.
That's not what OP's post is saying.
In Afghanistan, women can only be seen by female doctors... is that the route we want to go down? Slippery slope... and by OPs logic, gay and bisexual women shouldn't be gynecologists, but I imagine that homosexual men could. I just find it offensive to make a blanket sexist statement against any kind of male doctor.

sadly you seem to translate "98% of all offenders" (which is a figure taken out of thin air, but let's go with that

with: 98% of MEN are potential offenders.

So no, we don't have the same vision of what "risks"are. Somehow most of us manage to make it into adulthood and not create drama where there is none, or imagine potential sex abuse when there is none.

Yeah but some questions are just inappropriate in themselves. If I started a thread saying "Are white people more or less empathetic than people of insert any other race?", I certainly hope someone would report me. I dont think it's appropriate in a democratic society to suggest that anyone shouldnt be allowed to train in a particular medical field due to their gender, religion, sexual preferences...etc.

In case you missed my earlier post...
https://www.mpts-uk.org/-/media/mpts-rod-files/dr-mohan-babu-14-may-2026.pdf
Sexual assualt against a female patient
https://www.mpts-uk.org/-/media/mpts-rod-files/dr-aloaye-foy-yamah13-may-26.pdf
Sexual assualt against a female patient
https://www.mpts-uk.org/-/media/mpts-rod-files/dr-mark-westbrook07-may-26.pdf
Distribution of child pornography
https://www.mpts-uk.org/-/media/mpts-rod-files/dr-shamir-chandran06-may-26.pdf
Controlling and coercive behaviour against a women
https://www.mpts-uk.org/-/media/mpts-rod-files/dr-vijay-gaikwad-29-april-2026.pdf
Sexual assualts against patients that resulted in 6 years in prison
https://www.mpts-uk.org/-/media/mpts-rod-files/dr-matthew-isles17-apr-26.pdf
Sexual communication with a child
This is ONE month of hearings ONE month!!

I mean you could report the same kind of data about dangerous drivers who have severely injured or killed a child. That include female drivers.

So we are banning ALL cars because of the "risk"?

Or we just use our brain and are reasonably aware but accept that the behaviour of a handful of people doesn't define the entire country?

Are really likening this to dangerous driving, FFS
"You told her she had a lovely figure. On 1 July 2019, she attended to obtain a form about a holiday cancellation. You locked the door, and you then conducted a completely unnecessary breast examination. You lingered on her bare breasts and you pulled on both her nipples. That is Count 1. She was so shocked that she looked at the ceiling and she froze. Count 2, you then put your hand down her skirt in what I regard as an obvious attempt to touch her vaginal area, whilst exposing your penis to her, and telling her that she had to touch it because you were helping her"

I voted YABU but I had a young trainee gynaecologist when I had an issue, can’t recall what it was now, but he used a speculum, didn’t have the right instrument so left me, as I was, in speculum pain, and fucked off for a few minutes to get whatever he didn’t have. A female gynae would have been both organised with the right equipment for the job and secondly wouldn’t leave me in such a bloody horrible position… my DH walked in with coffee (we’d been waiting ages so sent him off for Costa lol) and I burst into tears … I think it was a bad bleed miscarriage so was probably emotional too … however I think I’ve been stared at down there enough times to not give a shit who does it as long as they’re good and understanding!

if it's ok to you , for a child to suffer life changing injuries or simply be dead?

Also all 6 of those are male, there were no female doctors struck off for sexual misconduct in the same period. Your welcome to trawl the last 12 months and see if you can find one.

so? People kill and injure with their cars so ALL DRIVERS must be banned?

You find 6 male who need to be thrown in jail, and you forget all the lives saved and healed by all the other doctors and medical staff? Is that how you think?

So this has all happened with the female chaperones present?

We are not talking about driving, we are talking about one very specific specialism of medicine that deals almost exlusively with the intimate areas of women and the problems that arise there.

and where the immense majority of trained male professionals are an immense asset, and do an amazing job, or a job just as good as their female colleagues.

So is it the patients fault for not demanding or insisting on a chaperone? These men did what they did, 6 in one month, presumably approx 70 in a year and that's the ones who have been caught.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Every time I've had internal ( and I get them regularly) there's been a nurse. Even with my female gynae oncologist. Where on earth am I blaming the patients. Please actually quote me where I said that if it's not just in your imagination

A friend is a (male) gynae surgeon & massively talented. It’s just a body to them and thanks to his calling & talent he’s saved sooo many lives.You’re deffo being unreasonable but I do understand that our intimate parts make us feel vulnerable.
if they can make me feel better, help me or cure whatever ails me, I don’t care if they’re male or female, gay, straight, etc. I care about their medical qualifications & abilities

I would prefer to be examined by a female doctor, but I have no objection to a male doctor as long as he isn't wearing a dress and expecting me to participate in his fetish by pretending he's a woman.

When I was training to be a midwife, I was told by a (male) gynaecologist that there were two main reasons why doctors choose to specialise in obstetrics and gynaecology.

(1) Their involvement in bringing new life is seen as positive and"glamorous" and is often more satisfying than other specialities.
(2) There is scope for making a lot of money from private work that doesn't necessarily exist in many other kinds of medicine.

Well, it would be a crying shame if the male consultant at my fertility clinic, who went to every effort to help me conceive our son despite horrendous obstacles had have been ‘phased out’ and yet the female urologist who told my husband, incorrectly, that he would never have biological children, with zero care or compassion, should have been.

Lol.

With:
a) a falling birth rate, especially among educated, affluent women
b) more and more female breadwinners
c) the increased uptake of shared parental (partly influenced by b) )

it’s ridiculous to suggest that a female workforce needs to be so much bigger than a male workforce for the same coverage.

A few months’ extra time off with a baby or two for SOME women, and perhaps a few years part-time for SOME women (as if male consultants never go part-time lol) does not in any way mean the phasing out of male doctors will lead to crippling staff shortages.

@CaragianettE I agree OP. But I also think their knowledge can be better than some women gynaecologists (not always but sometimes), so I wouldn’t write them off. Sometimes you need a good ego as it means they’re desperate not to fuck up.

Also I think you’re underestimating the good work life balance in gynaecology and focusing more on the view of vaginas as the main pull to that practice area

I’m sorry, that’s really rubbish. Typical that the even longer waiting list is with the actually nice one too.

You are not being unreasonable, of all the areas of medicine available why do men choose this one?

That would be considered racist but I really don't understand how that can be compared to this.

The Equality Act specifically has exemptions built into it to allow for people of a certain sex to be excluded from specific roles if there is a legal justification for it. Roles already exist that exclude men and women including care, specialist support and refuge-based roles.

This discussion is based on hypotheticals but using the Equality Act example, some people would argue that gynaecology is one of those roles that should be female-led due to the sensitivity and vulnerability involved. Others might argue that all Urologists should be men and they have the right to that opinion.

This has been studied extensively and there are loads of articles about it. Women leave medicine or reduce their hours at far higher rates than men. One study in the US that women are 40% more likely to leave than men and on average leave medicine 15 years earlier. They are around 6 x more likely to be part time. In the UK there are 5 male consultant surgeons for every woman (but the female surgeons get better outcomes on average).

There are lots of reasons for that which could maybe be resolved or partially resolved but at the moment you would definitely need more women than men and that issue would be more acute for surgeons.

No, it's the (female) chaperones' apparently lol