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to be utterly sick of protests, marches, rallies, and riots

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NameChangeMay2026 · Today 01:47

What happened today in Belfast was dreadful. Of course it was.

When Sarah Everard died, there were marches. But a day before she died, an Indian woman Sarah's age was knifed to death in the street in Leicestershire. It was an "honour" killing, I think.

Where was HER lantern on the doorstep of Downing Street? Where was HER march?

My point is, dreadful things happen every day and I am so sick and tired of news items sparking so much public rowdiness. It used to be that the media could report on current events without starting a riot. I know that we have always had riots, but they were the occasional one. And because they were not common, they helped effect change. They were a desperate measure reserved for when nothing else had helped.

Now, together with marches, rallies, and protests, society is constantly disrupted, and I am so, so sick of it. I live in a major city and I can't go anywhere without checking what march, rally, protest, or riot is happening, especially at the weekends. And they are so common that they don't help effect change anymore.

The riots are terrible. Thousands and thousands of pounds' worth of lost property in fires, injured bystanders, police calld away from other duties to attend them. And there are "professional" rabble-rousers who travel to marches, protests, and riots. It's not because they're passionate about a cause. They're just passionate about causing trouble.

I travel for work to major American cities and it's even worse over there. Another day, another riot/protest/march/rally.

They have become a feature of today's society, and I wish they would just stop.

Edit: I actually stay in more because of them. I don't go out of my hotel as much when staying in America, and I don't go to the city centre where I live as much. It's so bad when regular people are put off from walking around city centres because of all these annoying dickheads.

I think it is worse in America, and I'm tired of feeling scared to go out when there, in case I run into an uncontrolled crowd - where the police have guns, and the protestors might, depending on the state.

The burning buildings in Belfast are a disgrace. It's not the owners' fault that this happened.

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SinisterBumFacedCat · Today 13:23

Allisnotlost1 · Today 13:17

She actually pleaded guilty to an offence of inciting racial hatred. And then changed her mind and said her lawyer told her to. Yet people hold her up as innocent.😇

I’d rather someone who made a vicious tweet was walking the streets than the Fordingbridge rapists but there you go.

Cherriesandapples1 · Today 13:24

ThreadGuardDog · Today 13:10

According to official statistics at one point 33 people per day were being arrested for breaches of ‘free speech’. Lucy Connolly obviously comes to mind. Retweeted a post in outrage after the Southport murders, calmed down two hours later, thought better of it and took it down. Sentenced to 3.5 years - longer than for most rapists in this country. No common sense or critical thinking applied at all. Just off you go to jail.

Unless you can show what was said in those breeches of free speech. It's a bit difficult to say if they were right or wrong to arrest.
In Lucy Connollys case she called for the asylum hotels to be set fire to. It was reposted nearly 1000 times and viewed by over 300000 people before being removed
People did try to burn down asylum hotels. She may well have encouraged them. So yer she was inciting violence. The person who committed the attacks in Southport wasn't an immigrant. It was just false claims on x and dodgy media that claimed he was. So she got angry about false information told people to go burn down asylum hotels, calmed down after 2 hours and took the post down after the damage had been done.
Tough shit she should have been prosecuted, she plead guilty. If she thought she did nothing wrong then maybe she should've plead innocent and fought her case
She also served less than a year, the people jn the hotel could've lost their lives

2andadog · Today 13:25

SinisterBumFacedCat · Today 13:23

I’d rather someone who made a vicious tweet was walking the streets than the Fordingbridge rapists but there you go.

It's not an either or though is it. Rapists should be jailed. So should people who incite violence and hatred.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 13:25

Holidaymodeon · Today 13:19

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist (I’m not), I feel that there are people who have power, whether they are visible figures or not, who have a vested interest in us being at war with each other and railing at police, government etc, the eu referendum was a big part of really exposing divides and making people feel comfortable with voicing divisive opinions.
I think it’s an orchestrated case of divide and conquer and the outcome will be further loss of rights which started around 18-20 years ago and will continue until we are in a similar position to the US in terms of basic healthcare, employment rights and homelessness etc.
none of this is happening by accident.
its orchestrated and people are walking into it blindfolded.

Agree somewhat. Some of the threads on MN regarding benefits, pensioners, unemployment etc, seem to bear this out because people prefer to punch down, and while they’re doing that the super rich who own most of the wealth in the country, as well as rich employers and greedy landlords ripping off the tax payer via UC are left alone.

Mumandcarer80 · Today 13:25

There was 2 black sisters murdered in a park over lockdown. Police took selfies with their bodies. No protests for them was there.

TriesNotToBeCynical · Today 13:25

PinkMagpie · Today 13:23

To correct one piece of misinformation on this thread, Maitiu Mág Tighearnán, the man who fought off the Belfast knife attacker, is not an immigrant to Northern Ireland. Perhaps British people online saw his ‘foreign’ looking name and thought he must be an immigrant. He’s not, that’s a Gaelic name

And, of course, the rioters would have preferred to be burning his house down, if they were still allowed to.

Walkyrie · Today 13:26

SinisterBumFacedCat · Today 13:23

I’d rather someone who made a vicious tweet was walking the streets than the Fordingbridge rapists but there you go.

This is a good point.

There was enormous public outrage over this to the extent the sentences have now been referred under ULS.

And the perpetrators were… white.

So no, it isn’t ’selective outrage based on skin colour’

Dandelionsalad · Today 13:26

TriesNotToBeCynical · Today 13:25

And, of course, the rioters would have preferred to be burning his house down, if they were still allowed to.

I expect the rioters in Ireland know an Irish name if they see one.

Allisnotlost1 · Today 13:27

ThreadGuardDog · Today 13:18

Where did I say that ? I said I don’t condone the violence and that my fear is that if the serious underlying issues that lead to this kind of behaviour aren’t addressed properly there will be worse and more frequent outbreaks. The prospect is terrifying.

I live in an area of high immigration, close to a migrant housing centre. Some of the things that go on would curl your hair, but we are constantly told that there is no cause for alarm, that suggesting the perpetrators of these crimes are migrants is racist. A young female family member has been followed home on two occasions by migrants suggesting the most lewd disgusting things to her and telling her that as a woman she should cover up. The police don’t want to know because they don’t want to be seen as ‘racist’.

There are serious underlying issues. People don’t feel listened to and the government seems closed to the idea that tensions are running high, because whenever this happens in response to some outrage or other, the rhetoric is the same - violence is not the answer. Which I agree, it isn’t. But in the absence of anyone wanting or even knowing how to tackle the underlying issues, it doesn’t surprise me that it happens.

There are plenty on this and other threads who condone this violence, so thanks for clarifying you’re not one of them.

Police failure to act on any crime is terrible, it was reported they chose not to intervene in riots last night in Belfast, not attending shoplifting or burglary is a common issue in England. It’s grim. But I’m not convinced it’s all to do with fear of being seen as racist so much as a lack of manpower and quality. The coalition govt decimated the police, Theresa May took pride in it. Recruitment is struggling and there are some wholly unsuitable people in the police now.

I can understand why people are angry and upset. I can also understand that some
people experience sudden and severe mental illness. Neither of those things justifies going out and harming someone in any way. The idea that governments are going to overnight refuse all asylum applicants, round up everyone waiting and deport them to… somewhere, is just fantasy as well. It’s going to take time and resource to solve these issues, and none of that time or resource needs to be wasted on clearing up after morons throwing bins or harassing women and children.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 13:27

2andadog · Today 13:25

It's not an either or though is it. Rapists should be jailed. So should people who incite violence and hatred.

But that theory falls down when you’re not even handed. Lucy Connolly gets over three years, three little savages walk free. It’s indefensible.

TriesNotToBeCynical · Today 13:27

Dandelionsalad · Today 13:26

I expect the rioters in Ireland know an Irish name if they see one.

Oh they do indeed!

Walkyrie · Today 13:27

Mumandcarer80 · Today 13:25

There was 2 black sisters murdered in a park over lockdown. Police took selfies with their bodies. No protests for them was there.

Did you protest?

Allisnotlost1 · Today 13:29

SinisterBumFacedCat · Today 13:23

I’d rather someone who made a vicious tweet was walking the streets than the Fordingbridge rapists but there you go.

I think both should be achievable.

Dandelionsalad · Today 13:29

Mumandcarer80 · Today 13:25

There was 2 black sisters murdered in a park over lockdown. Police took selfies with their bodies. No protests for them was there.

What would they have been protesting for? By the time it was widely spread across the media there was already a political and police response. Do you think that response was inadequate?

Jellox · Today 13:30

BrightShaker · Today 13:19

A murder is 100% taken to court within days. The magistrates court working day after the charge it is taken to magistrates court and the magistrate refers it to crown court.

There may be an initial hearing but the actual charge wouldn’t be done in a matter of days.

I have known hundreds of murderers and I can’t think of 1 that hasn’t been held on remand for months, let alone weeks and definitely not days.

PigletAdventures · Today 13:30

ThreadGuardDog · Today 13:25

Agree somewhat. Some of the threads on MN regarding benefits, pensioners, unemployment etc, seem to bear this out because people prefer to punch down, and while they’re doing that the super rich who own most of the wealth in the country, as well as rich employers and greedy landlords ripping off the tax payer via UC are left alone.

I agree. It does sound very conspiracy theorist to admit, but some ' body' is pulling the strings to create major social disharmony. If the government truly wanted to curb migration, they could do it tomorrow. So, why don't they? Remove all visas for low/ medium skilled jobs for starters. Easy. We have over a million young people out of work, they can replace immigrant workers.

BrightShaker · Today 13:31

samthepigeon · Today 13:14

I remain to be convinced.

What do you need to be convinced by?

The rates of being sectioned under the MHA in the UK disproportinately affect non-white individuals.

This is well documented. Task forces and Government papers such as 'big. black and dangerous' were talking about this as far back as 1993.

And at that point, it was primarily talking about 1st, 2nd or 3rd immgrants.

Theories at the time and now were institutional racism? or that migrating to countries can cause MH problems in immigrants and their children and grandchildren for a multitude of reasons.

Obviously those issues would be multiplied exponentially in someone seeking asylum.

You can't possibly think why migrating to - or seeking asylum in a country could cause MH problems?

I could think of at least 50 reasons off the top of my head.

Walkyrie · Today 13:31

PigletAdventures · Today 13:30

I agree. It does sound very conspiracy theorist to admit, but some ' body' is pulling the strings to create major social disharmony. If the government truly wanted to curb migration, they could do it tomorrow. So, why don't they? Remove all visas for low/ medium skilled jobs for starters. Easy. We have over a million young people out of work, they can replace immigrant workers.

They can, they’ve halved it in a year. The boats are unstoppable however.

Mumandcarer80 · Today 13:32

Walkyrie · Today 13:27

Did you protest?

I don’t get involved in matters that don’t concern me. I leave it to the people whose job it is to get justice for victims. It was over lockdown anyway and I live nowhere near London. The families usually say it’s not what they want anyway. I was just making a point that’s all.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 13:32

Allisnotlost1 · Today 13:27

There are plenty on this and other threads who condone this violence, so thanks for clarifying you’re not one of them.

Police failure to act on any crime is terrible, it was reported they chose not to intervene in riots last night in Belfast, not attending shoplifting or burglary is a common issue in England. It’s grim. But I’m not convinced it’s all to do with fear of being seen as racist so much as a lack of manpower and quality. The coalition govt decimated the police, Theresa May took pride in it. Recruitment is struggling and there are some wholly unsuitable people in the police now.

I can understand why people are angry and upset. I can also understand that some
people experience sudden and severe mental illness. Neither of those things justifies going out and harming someone in any way. The idea that governments are going to overnight refuse all asylum applicants, round up everyone waiting and deport them to… somewhere, is just fantasy as well. It’s going to take time and resource to solve these issues, and none of that time or resource needs to be wasted on clearing up after morons throwing bins or harassing women and children.

I agree with this. And it is unreasonable to expect the government to tackle the problem overnight, but this has been going on for years, to the point where there is now a permanent undercurrent of unrest because people are sick of their concerns being dismissed and of being called ‘racist’ for voicing them. As far as I can see neither time nor resources are being wasted, because they’re simply not being applied in the first place.

EasternStandard · Today 13:33

Walkyrie · Today 13:31

They can, they’ve halved it in a year. The boats are unstoppable however.

It can be done, other countries have stopped them, but it takes different policy to Labour’s.

Allisnotlost1 · Today 13:33

Dandelionsalad · Today 13:23

She was told she would be held in remand for months if she pled not guilty.

I agree her post deserved punishment. I think it deserved far less punishment than that men who buy, download and share child sex abuse imagery, driving the trade in the abuse and murder of millions of children worldwide every year. Yet those men seem to walk from court even when found guilty a second time. A community service order would have been much more appropriate for her.

I CBA to refresh my memory of the appeal but I think most of her claims of faulty legal advice were proven false. From memory she waived legal privilege and it showed she was properly advised? Happy to be corrected though (with facts/sources mind).

ETA Agree there are many examples where her sentence could seem harsh compared to others for seemingly worse offences. That’s criminal justice unfortunately.

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 13:35

PigletAdventures · Today 13:30

I agree. It does sound very conspiracy theorist to admit, but some ' body' is pulling the strings to create major social disharmony. If the government truly wanted to curb migration, they could do it tomorrow. So, why don't they? Remove all visas for low/ medium skilled jobs for starters. Easy. We have over a million young people out of work, they can replace immigrant workers.

Could, but won’t. Because they’ve been told they deserve better jobs.

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 13:35

Dandelionsalad · Today 13:26

I expect the rioters in Ireland know an Irish name if they see one.

Age they still burnt white family’s houses down!

LadyVioletBridgerton · Today 13:37

It’s always the thugs with balaclavas that come out…too scared to show their faces but happy to play the big man by setting busses on fire 🙄