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Young people in the UK have it tough

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JiIttiIg · 01/06/2026 20:59

All the news stories are about young people not getting jobs and having to stay with their parents. It used to be they had to stay at home to save for a house, now it's no house and no jobs. Can't see things getting any better in the near future. Is the UK now a country that is failing it's young people. Is it going to be like countries from Eastern or Southern Europe where young people had to outmigrate in order to get a decent life? Can't see any politicians having the right answers.

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notacooldad · Today 08:43

I think it depends on the area.
In some areas of the country it seems extremely rough for young people with horrendous house prices, hard to get work after graduation, not being able to leave home due to life circumstances etc.

Other areas a lot of young people are doing OK.

crackofdoom · Today 08:51

Newname26 · Today 08:38

Well they'd be savings to be made by not paying whole families benefits and top up benefits.
Cheaper to have 2 folk on pension than families on benefits.

It's actually not.

Basic rate of pension credits for a couple: £346 weekly.

Basic rate of UC for a single mum + 2 DC: £238.

Because obviously pensioners eat more than teenagers, I suppose.

crackofdoom · Today 09:02

MustTryHarderAndHarder · Yesterday 17:49

Even if it is now, the departure of all the wealth creators will not have an immediate effect. It will take a few years.

It's weird that you see "wealth creators" as a discrete class.

If the global super rich do leave (and as far as I know, there's no evidence of the kind of mass exodus that was predicted), maybe that will open the field up for a few more people to have a go.

WhatNoRaisins · Today 09:12

I wonder if the increased costs to paying to support pensioners might be more palatable to the population that paying to keep younger people in an extended adolescence. Surely most people want to see the young growing up and working and building their lives. I think after being in an unemployed rut for multiple years it's hard to snap out of even if the economy does improve.

crackofdoom · Today 09:14

WhatNoRaisins · Today 09:12

I wonder if the increased costs to paying to support pensioners might be more palatable to the population that paying to keep younger people in an extended adolescence. Surely most people want to see the young growing up and working and building their lives. I think after being in an unemployed rut for multiple years it's hard to snap out of even if the economy does improve.

The increased costs in paying to support pensioners certainly seem to be more palatable to the British electorate. Which is (checks notes)....disproportionately made up of pensioners. Funny that.

EasternStandard · Today 09:20

crackofdoom · Today 09:02

It's weird that you see "wealth creators" as a discrete class.

If the global super rich do leave (and as far as I know, there's no evidence of the kind of mass exodus that was predicted), maybe that will open the field up for a few more people to have a go.

It’s not a waiting room. If you want to have a go you can. Start something new, create jobs.

BIossomtoes · Today 09:21

Newname26 · Today 08:38

Well they'd be savings to be made by not paying whole families benefits and top up benefits.
Cheaper to have 2 folk on pension than families on benefits.

There’s a benefit cap and it’s slightly more than the cost of two state pensions.

frozendaisy · Today 09:40

notacooldad · Today 08:43

I think it depends on the area.
In some areas of the country it seems extremely rough for young people with horrendous house prices, hard to get work after graduation, not being able to leave home due to life circumstances etc.

Other areas a lot of young people are doing OK.

This feels like our reality.
It’s ok where we are for young employment and transport connections.
Which makes it feel like we can’t move, as we want to, until the teens are established.

It’s just another layer of consideration that we as parents have to take into account nowadays (along with education costs and decent house deposits).

Zebedee999 · Today 10:05

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Newname26 · Today 10:07

WhatNoRaisins · Today 09:12

I wonder if the increased costs to paying to support pensioners might be more palatable to the population that paying to keep younger people in an extended adolescence. Surely most people want to see the young growing up and working and building their lives. I think after being in an unemployed rut for multiple years it's hard to snap out of even if the economy does improve.

Well you'd think so. But lots just can't see it.

Its so depressing seeing young people graduate then years down the line, still not being able to get a proper first job.
The pub just doesn't count.

Young people who can't get on the career ladder then can't be making any in roads onto the housing ladder either.

And the next step is children.
Young people, who don't have a proper job, who don't have a house, can't seriously consider having a family of their own.

The knock on effect is crazy.
We tell kids to stick in at school, go to uni, get a good job, but the jobs just aren't there for them.

Zebedee999 · Today 10:12

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 10:35

If you think it’s simple you’re not paying attention. There are a lot of factors at play here. Undercutting wages is no longer possible unless it’s an off books business.

Of course undercutting wages is possible. I recruited engineering jobs paying anything form £30k to £75k and Europeans (Spain, Portugal, Poland etc) all offered to do those jobs at half the going rate. This depressed wages and still does.

Yet it's the young that complain about low wages but then are most likely t o support uncontrolled immigration that suppresses their wages and pushes up housing demand/cost. It's really very simple but the young complain about wage levels and house pricing costs whilst voting for parties (Greens for example) that want uncontrolled immigration that will makie these costs worse for them.

Poor peoples wages have only ever increased signifiucantly when labour is in short supply (look at history). Yet all left leaning parties welcome mass immigration as it keeps the poor poor so it retains their voter base. The young love it too but then whinge when their wages are suppressed and housing expensive and in short supply. Basic economics that they have zero grasp of.

BIossomtoes · Today 10:25

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Is it really necessary to be so rude? The vast majority of economists agree that the UK economy is around 8% smaller than it would be if we hadn’t left our closest and largest trading partner. And I frankly don’t believe any job applicant offers to work for half the wage on offer.

crackofdoom · Today 10:36

EasternStandard · Today 09:20

It’s not a waiting room. If you want to have a go you can. Start something new, create jobs.

Exactly! Anyone can start a business!

(Of course, it would be far easier to get a SME going if there was more investment available and less hoarding of cash in assets such as property, and also if multinational corporations didn't hold such a monopoly in some areas).

TyroneBarkleyManofValueNSOUL · Today 10:56

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You're ageist little rant has been reported.

EasternStandard · Today 10:59

crackofdoom · Today 10:36

Exactly! Anyone can start a business!

(Of course, it would be far easier to get a SME going if there was more investment available and less hoarding of cash in assets such as property, and also if multinational corporations didn't hold such a monopoly in some areas).

I think it could be much easier if there was a gov looking at tax barriers etc rather than hammering SMEs as this one does. And start ups do happen but we have higher barriers to growing them, getting bigger and taking on more employees is a plus not a bad thing.

Especially as AI, marketing and SM make reach easier. We’ve really got to get on this as soon just under 1 in 5 young people will be out of work.

EasternStandard · Today 10:59

crackofdoom · Today 10:36

Exactly! Anyone can start a business!

(Of course, it would be far easier to get a SME going if there was more investment available and less hoarding of cash in assets such as property, and also if multinational corporations didn't hold such a monopoly in some areas).

.

BoredZelda · Today 11:09

stillhiding1990 · Yesterday 06:17

Tough in comparison to what other counties? Somalia? Sudan?

Such a low bar for the people who are the future of our nation.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · Today 11:20

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Netcurtainnelly · Today 11:26

There's a job that's available in an independent shop near me I see it everyday in the window. Why hasn't I gone it's baffling with so many people out of work.
It's daytime work???

WhatNoRaisins · Today 11:33

Netcurtainnelly · Today 11:26

There's a job that's available in an independent shop near me I see it everyday in the window. Why hasn't I gone it's baffling with so many people out of work.
It's daytime work???

Is it one of those ones where they want you to be available at any possible time? I remember we had one of those that expected you to be able to work at any time from 7am-7pm at short notice that took a long time to fill. Or maybe there are other red flags.

BoredZelda · Today 11:41

Zebedee999 · Today 10:12

Of course undercutting wages is possible. I recruited engineering jobs paying anything form £30k to £75k and Europeans (Spain, Portugal, Poland etc) all offered to do those jobs at half the going rate. This depressed wages and still does.

Yet it's the young that complain about low wages but then are most likely t o support uncontrolled immigration that suppresses their wages and pushes up housing demand/cost. It's really very simple but the young complain about wage levels and house pricing costs whilst voting for parties (Greens for example) that want uncontrolled immigration that will makie these costs worse for them.

Poor peoples wages have only ever increased signifiucantly when labour is in short supply (look at history). Yet all left leaning parties welcome mass immigration as it keeps the poor poor so it retains their voter base. The young love it too but then whinge when their wages are suppressed and housing expensive and in short supply. Basic economics that they have zero grasp of.

Young people do not support uncontrolled immigration. Very few people do. What they tend to not want is immigration being wrongly blamed for every ill.

I have also recruited, and in 30 years of doing so, I’ve never had someone say “sure, pay me half the going rate”. What I have seen is, employers asking someone what their current salary is and pitching an offer just above that regardless of what they pay elsewhere in the company. I’ve also seen hyper inflation in labour costs because of a severe shortage, as is currently the position in many areas of construction. This leads to ridiculously high charge out rates for staff. I’m negotiating a price for a major construction project right now. The charge out rate for a plumber’s labourer is £30/ph. This is the person who holds the ladder and fetches things from the van. That equals an annual amount of £58,500 per year for unskilled labour. This is repeated across almost every trade and also with construction professionals. We saw similar to this back in early 2000s, and it was only in 2004 when we began to see more European labour coming in to the country that rates paired back to where they had been previously. This remained the same for another couple of decades until Brexit happened and here we are again.

I don’t know why so few young people are shunning construction, but there is a serious disconnect with what we need in terms of resource, and how we encourage the younger generations to fill those positions. Maybe we encourage too many to go to university to study things we have less of a need for, we definitely aren’t putting as much focus on trades as we used to. There needs to be a government led review of the skills gap with a policy on how to ensure it is filled. Saying “we have more apprenticeships available” is great, but if we are training a million new mechanics when what we need is a million new construction trades, then it is pointless.

There are 750k job vacancies in the U.K. right now. 126k of those are in human health and social work. What are we doing to encourage people to those jobs? This is the care sector, who previously did those roles? Immigrants filled them but they are minimum wage jobs. The change in the number of immigrants hasn’t led to a rise in wages for those jobs, they have simply remained unfilled. I don’t think anyone should be paid minimum wage for doing that job but until the job is valued more, it will remain that way.

The current generation of young people have been screwed over. None of what is happening is their fault and no amount of shouting at them to just go out and make it happen will make any difference. The problem is structural, it is economic, and the best thing we can do is support our young people through it. Especially the bit where they are trying to change it.

crackofdoom · Today 11:49

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You don't need billions to start a business. You start small and work up 🙄 (Although more readily available sources of investment at critical moments would certainly help.)

Ooh, please do explain economics to me, you who obviously have a stellar grasp on it- I can't wait 😆

JuliettaCaeser · Today 11:52

Can we not all get together as a country as we did in Covid and the Second World War put politics aside and try and kick start our economy?! Surely essentially we all basically want the same thing? Good standard of living for all and jobs and opportunities for our kids? We all boycott Amazon etc do all we can and pull together? Maybe I am being idealistic but it’s so frustrating.

BIossomtoes · Today 11:56

JuliettaCaeser · Today 11:52

Can we not all get together as a country as we did in Covid and the Second World War put politics aside and try and kick start our economy?! Surely essentially we all basically want the same thing? Good standard of living for all and jobs and opportunities for our kids? We all boycott Amazon etc do all we can and pull together? Maybe I am being idealistic but it’s so frustrating.

And what happens to all those people who work for Amazon?

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