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To refuse viewings once I’ve given notice

227 replies

WryJadeWren · Yesterday 11:43

Once I’ve given notice, I’ve always felt that my time and space should be mine.

In the final weeks I’m usually packing, organising a move, working and trying to keep life ticking over. Having people come in and out for viewings feels disruptive and stressful, especially when it’s framed as an expectation rather than a request.

My view has always been that landlords or agents are free to show the property once it’s empty, on their own time but that I’m not obliged to facilitate viewings while I’m still living there.

AIBU?

OP posts:
WryJadeWren · Yesterday 15:32

MrMucker · Yesterday 15:27

It's just basic cooperation, but the fact that you won't because of how it's been expected of you rather than nicely asked, that indicates a basic attitude that maybe clouds your notion of cooperation in other areas too, who knows. Sorry if that's presumptuous, but that's how you come across.
It's something only you can do, it's something that helps someone else immeasurably. But your response is "nope, you haven't asked me nicely enough".
Why do people keep going on about knowing and exerting their rights, as if there's some invented battle at the slightest need for cooperation?!
What a world.

I don’t think boundaries and cooperation are mutually exclusive though. People can be cooperative while still feeling there should be some limits/consideration around repeated access to a home they’re actively living in.

OP posts:
FlatCatYellowMat · Yesterday 15:34

YANBU and TBH when I was a landlord, I liked to use a few weeks between tenants to do any disruptive maintenance/check the property over properly.

But then my tenants often stayed 2-5 years (small property - a couple would move in, stay a bit, then have a child and move on).

Doesn't matter what the contract says, you are completely within your rights to refuse viewings, you absolutely don't need to tidy up (which is one of the reasons I never showed with tenants in place), and I wouldn't be letting people in my home with all my stuff without me present either.

Londonrach1 · Yesterday 15:37

Even if I'm your contact your right to quiet enjoyment trumps it. Refuse viewings. Estate agents hope you don't know that

EarthSight · Yesterday 15:39

ibblebibbledibble · Yesterday 14:55

If you’ve been a tenant for many years, it’s probably worth reading up on the laws that cover this.

Should have clarified that this was in the past and I'm not a tenant right now, although, I note your advice for the future. Thank you.

Poppy123xyz · Yesterday 15:44

MrsBroccolini · Yesterday 14:23

I totally understand how viewings are disruptive but I do absolutely think that this is unreasonable. I think you could create firm boundaries (offering e.g. 2 fixed mornings a week max, and you won't be there), but I think it's just a bit shitty to say I don't want to live here anymore but I'm not going to let you find someone to take the property promptly, thereby potentially putting your mortgage (or other general running bills/costs) or your own financial position in a precarious place.

I would not leave my place for a viewing if i wasnt there, its my private space with valuables in it, so unless the landlord wants to give me a discount for the month, im not waking up early, taking time off work or giving up free time as a favour. They've made enough money off me already.

saraclara · Yesterday 15:53

Groobey · Yesterday 12:17

There is no such thing as an accidental landlord. You don’t have to keep the flat, you have chosen to.

And I say that as an “accidental” landlord myself.

That makes no sense. I was an accidental landlord when my mum died. I had to sell her rental property to pay her care debt. But until probate was sorted, and then until the notice period was over, I remained a landlord and had to behave according to the law for the 18 months that took.

I didn't put the house on the market until the tenants had left, because that's how it should work. And just as well as it turned out that the house was in a terrible state, so any viewings would have been counter-productive.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:11

coneyislandoldspot · Yesterday 11:53

I think YABU.

It is inherently not your home or your space.

It inherently bloody is.

Uptightmumma · Yesterday 16:11

WryJadeWren · Yesterday 12:15

I actually think there’s a meaningful difference between an owner choosing to market/sell their own property for their own benefit
and a tenant being expected to repeatedly accommodate viewings in a home they’re still actively living in. And even where contracts mention reasonable access, I still think “reasonable” should include consideration for the fact someone is packing, working, stressed, moving etc rather than assuming unlimited availability.

What about the landlord who will have an empty house for over a month maybe longer because you have refused viewings. There nothing to say you have to accommodate everyone, but I think YABU to not allow the landlord some time to find your replacement.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:15

Lordofthebantams · Yesterday 12:30

And the person it does belong to, is losing money of they wait until it's vacant to secure a new tenant. If I want to sell my house, I accept people have to view it.

You are being selfish.

It's not being selfish to want to use the thing she has paid for on the terms she has paid for it. Why doesn't the landlord be nice and unselfish and just let her off the last month's rent, eh? Because it's business for him/her and business for the OP too. Doubt the ll would budge on anything they're entitled to by law.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:17

Nofeckingway · Yesterday 12:55

But it's not like you have to have it show house ready is it . So what if you have stuff around or boxes half packed , you are not trying to sell it or relet it . And really how long does a viewing take half hour maybe . And how many viewings , not more than 3 surely. So why be difficult just for the same of it . I see no point .

It's not for the sake of it. It's because she doesn't want to. So she doesn't have to.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:18

PopcornPoppingInAPan · Yesterday 13:31

As long as you’re happy that if tenants generally take this approach then landlords will increase the rent, then fill your boots OP. Personally I’d rather not pay more rent to cover the increased void periods that your approach will lead to 🤷‍♀️

God forbid they don't squeeze out every penny, eh.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:18

Uptightmumma · Yesterday 16:11

What about the landlord who will have an empty house for over a month maybe longer because you have refused viewings. There nothing to say you have to accommodate everyone, but I think YABU to not allow the landlord some time to find your replacement.

It's not her problem.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:26

FryingPam · Yesterday 14:13

I don’t know what it is about landlord-tenant relationships that always makes the tenant go ‘I want to cause my landlord as much trouble as possible’. Somehow, when people borrow something that isn’t a flat, they remain decent people, but all decency goes out of the window in this situation.
OP, if the landlord was a nightmare and unfair to you, then go ahead. If the landlord was decent and you just want to be difficult for the sake of it because they’re a landlord and you’re their tenant, then get a grip!

Borrowing 😂it is not borrowing and the ll is not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. What a silly choice of words.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 16:27

Tableforjoan · Yesterday 12:46

Every time I’ve viewed a rental it has been empty.

About half I’ve viewed up for sale were also empty.

Every rental property I’ve viewed has been empty too.

It’s not the same as selling your home, because the tenant normally has nothing to gain whatsoever from the disruption of allowing viewings, whereas a homeowner selling their property might have a huge amount to gain!

Maybe landlords should offer a discount on the rent for the final month in return for the tenant making the property available for viewings and making themselves scarce at someone else’s choice of dates and times?

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:27

EarthSight · Yesterday 14:22

I've been a tenant for years, but I'm afraid this is a reminder that it isn't your house.

Until the last day that you're there, yes, things should remain as they otherwise would and not be disruptive as you're presumably still paying full price until you leave. However, they're running a business. Many landlords will want to get other tenants in asap because even a week of it being empty could mean a loss of £100 - £400, at the very minimum.

They may be running a business, but they have to run it in accordance with the law.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:29

Feis123 · Yesterday 14:29

In these days of utter entitlement it is refreshing to read this point of view.

LOL. the ll is the one being entitled here.

Lovingapeacefulgarden · Yesterday 16:29

I refused some when I rented because the letting agent phoned me snd told me they would be showing x amount of people around at x time on Monday morning. This was a time I wws WTH so said no. I gave them the date's and times we would be out as we were still paying rent and it was my toddlers home.

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:31

BlackRowan · Yesterday 14:53

You sound like a bit of a dick tenant especially because you would do it to a good landlord too

Why is she a dick for keeping to the terms of her contract and expecting her landlord to do the same?

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 16:31

Uptightmumma · Yesterday 16:11

What about the landlord who will have an empty house for over a month maybe longer because you have refused viewings. There nothing to say you have to accommodate everyone, but I think YABU to not allow the landlord some time to find your replacement.

My landlord used to use that time to repaint the property and spruce it up a bit. Or do landlords just not bother doing that anymore (except when a tenant complains that something has broken and needs to be repaired)?

ByWittyGoose · Yesterday 16:38

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 16:31

My landlord used to use that time to repaint the property and spruce it up a bit. Or do landlords just not bother doing that anymore (except when a tenant complains that something has broken and needs to be repaired)?

Not even then in my experience! 😂

Passaggressfedup · Yesterday 16:41

This is a perfect example of the take but no giving.

If tenants refuse to do viewings and the landlord has to wait until it is empty, they potentially will lose 2 or 3 months rent. Who do you think will pay for this? Yep, the next tenant who will probably have to pay more rent to make up the lost months.

Landlords are not in the business to lose money. It's getting harder and harder to make even a small profit from renting. They will only pass on the financial pressure to the tenants and it's not hard to do when there is so much more demand than supply.

Feis123 · Yesterday 16:42

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:29

LOL. the ll is the one being entitled here.

I know, right? The fucker ll who feels entitled by virtue of a title to his property, the bastard!

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 16:43

Feis123 · Yesterday 16:42

I know, right? The fucker ll who feels entitled by virtue of a title to his property, the bastard!

Once you rent a property out and recieve money for doing so, you do cede some control. If you'd prefer not to, the option of not renting it out exists.

EarthSight · Yesterday 16:44

Radarqueen · Yesterday 16:27

They may be running a business, but they have to run it in accordance with the law.

They do. I agree. If they're not supposed to be having tenants over to do viewings as this time, then they shouldn't do it if that's what the law says.

Enjoyout · Yesterday 16:46

I think offer a couple of time windows for a few weeks. I refused viewings when I wasn’t home (in case they stole something). I also refused viewings if the time didn’t suit me/baby’s nap schedule. Don’t inconvenience yourself and don’t bother tidying up.

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