AIBU To celebrate the government finally releasing guidance on keeping single sex spaces single sex? Even if it is more than a year after the Supreme Court judgement

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

Nobody is banned from toilets, changing rooms or indeed anywhere else, but males must use the male facilities and females use the female facilities. Where possible gender neutral facilities may be provided AS WELL, but not instead of.

There will be a huge amount of disinformation about this rolling around today, but nobody is banned from anything, other than intruding upon the opposite sex.

"The updated guidance is expected to make clear that employers and service providers should provide single-sex lavatories, changing rooms and washing facilities on the basis of biological sex, after the Supreme Court judgment in April last year that held the legal ­definition of “woman” in the Equality Act referred to biological sex."

https://www.thetimes.com/article/b0750d21-426a-45d5-8cee-9578e33c6d9c?shareToken=a2e55a09e70500c14807d8eb1713db03

Filibustering? Nah The Speaker will just shut them down

Apart from the fact that those cubicles aren’t fully enclosed - you can see what’s happening inside, to a certain extent - and people come and go in the main area.
@keeptoiletssafe has plenty of information on the additional dangers of fully enclosed designs.

There is going to be an awful lot of ignoring this

Because people on MN want to say that most trans identifying men are sex offenders. It doesn’t work so well when the teenage girls wanting to be boys gets mentioned

60% of trans identifying males in the UK prison population - are in for a sex crime of some sort.

20% of regular males in the UK prison population - are in for a sex crime of some sort.

Weird.

Highly possible. And, Bridget covers her ass at the same time because she can truthfully say "I laid the guidance before Parliament. Not my problem that they didn't get around to it ."

Yeah, you're right - I was searching for a quick comparison and fell into the trap.

well, FAFO. Have at it, fellas.

...aaand ... teenage girls are not generally known for being sex offenders, are they?

Is that why they keep peddling the lie that no one in the case represented trans people, despite the Scottish Government and Amnesty doing just that?

I think they were happy with the Amnesty intervention (not the SG’s submissions), but there were no “trans people” involved, even though ISTR their legal person was a non binary woman.

Short video showing men shouting down women

And quite a lot of women for that matter.

I don't think they are going to stand down quietly....

Until very recently, this was socially unacceptable and anyone seeing this would know that and possibly call police, or nearby staff. We reached the point where the man just has to say he's a woman and it's the real women who are in trouble for objecting. There have been plenty of instances of this, even after the Supreme Court judgement, for example https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row/ (changing rooms, not loos, but same principle).

So like the design on the right, rather than the design on the left. It doesn’t matter if the toilet room leads into the busiest concourse, if something is happening inside a room and no one can see.

This is why radar keys were invented, to try and stop people targeting these toilets for misuse (sex, drugs, sleeping rough). The sex can be with or without consent. It is precisely the complete privacy that makes it attractive. It’s very rare that people are murdered in toilets, but deaths are regular in toilet compartments. So much so that to comply with building control all non-domestic toilet doors should be capable of opening outwards from the outside, because people tend to collapse onto the door.

Currently rather annoyed at the man who started reddit (married to Serena Williams) avoiding the elephant in the room while he sheepishly launches a female only sports initiative on woman’s hour

Exactly. So that is why when some people say they are against trans people, they want to be able to say that it is because they are all or mainly sex offenders. And the girls don’t usually fall into that camp, so they don’t get mentioned

Forgot to add pic for @Sartre

Just an observation in passing, but it's always astonished me (sarcasm - no, actually it really hasn't..) that, considering how much of female socialisation consists of enforcing female silence and inculcating female self-censorship, TRAs are so bloody loud and shouty. Don't they ever realise how, well, unfeminine it is?

Am I a TERT?
Tired of Explaining the Reality of Toilets?

Well, unless you’re walking and someone drags you into a cubicle….

In the building I’ve been moved to, for my own safety, because my rapist is such a risk, there are single occupancy toilets. All of them are, without exception, in a corridor of their own, off another corridor. And all have floor to ceiling doors. They are such a risk for lots of reasons.

I really don't get your point. Most people on here are not "against trans people" just "against men using female single-sex spaces." We are not wanting to be able to say that "they are all or mainly sex offenders" -the crime statistics that some of us have posted are just that, statistics. We didn't make them up, and nowhere in those statistics does it say that all trans people are sex offenders. The stats just show that trans-identified male crime rates are comparable to non-trans-identified male crime rates. Which makes sense, because they are men.

I know right - sipping champagne?! the cheek - never mind spraying it around - what were these men thinking? Didn't they consider the other team's feelings?

The question is, when will we actually know? After 5:30?

No one says “I’m against trans people”. They simply don’t believe in your ideology so don’t really see a difference between one man who claims to be a woman and another one who doesn’t. Many people have concerns about children being influenced to believe they are the opposite sex.