Kelsey Parker

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/kelsey-parker-reveals-paramedics-called-33980657.amp

I really hope she sues everyone involved in her and her baby’s care. What an awful thing to go through

Obviously a heartbreaking situation for her and her family. However, it's expected for police to be called for an unexpected death. Whether an adult with multiple medical problems but who wasn't deemed yet to be near the end of life by doctors, or a baby expected to be born alive.
Clearly it sounds like the police who attended lacked sensitivity in phrasing it as a crime scene, but I think everyone would be appalled if it turned out a person had killed a baby and police weren't aware until later when any evidence has been disposed of. Unfortunately the police have to be there from the start because at that point the paramedics can't be the ones to decide what's really happened.
That's a different thing to this poor lady having to be on a postnatal ward though. Most hospitals have bereavement rooms on labour ward now where families stay instead of having to be around living babies. Though only one in most district generals, so I wonder what happens if it's in use.

I don't know who this lady is, but it sounds like she has had unimaginable pain in recent years

She was married to Tom Parker from the band The Wanted. He was diagnosed with a brain tumour while she was pregnant with their second child and died not that long afterwards.

Yeah he was a “boy band member”

But he was also a husband, a father, a son.

Who tragically died from glioblastoma.

I’m embarrassed for your sheer lack of empathy.

What part of that was incorrect? You have chosen to add some details but I wasn’t wrong

Read the room.

I wasn’t wrong and I wasn’t insulting

You weren’t wrong but fuck me there was no empathy or consideration in your statement. Just blatant coldness.

She was married to some boy band member who died

She was married to a former UK boyband member who passed away.

See the difference?

What relevance does ‘former Uk’ have?

And some people say died (and prefer it when they lose someone) and others say passed away.

Do you enjoy being awkward. Your posts are incredibly strange.

Thanks for the feedback.

Apparently that’s not the case with a stillbirth. There is a blood test that can be done that shows that the baby was stillborn and the grieving family can be given the time to grieve properly.

I feel sorry for her and that’s a truly awful story but I feel particularly sorry for her young children. Not only have they watched their father die but now also watched their mother give birth at home unexpectedly to their deceased sibling. It’s a heck of a lot for such young children to go through, I think they’re going to need lots of extra support and therapy growing up.

There’s every possibility the paramedics hadn’t seen a stillborn baby before.
Was it a planned home birth?

They have procedures to follow in certain situations and I expect if it was an unplanned home birth and then sadly a stillborn baby it needed to be dealt with in a certain way. The huge mistakes were clearly the absolute lack of kindness and care towards grieving parents and use of inappropriate terminology when it was unecessary (eg harsh use of ‘crime scene’)
Taking her to a maternity unit was insensitive I just hope they gave her a private room ? The issue is though that they have the specialists there to examine her and make sure she was ok whereas a and e may only have had a gynae registrar on call.

It’s a heartbreaking situation and I see both sides but the police/nhs although needing to follow procedures should have done so with compassion.

Indeed. 'Some boy band member'. Why the need to be so sneery .

She had planned a home birth but then gave birth so fast she didn’t have a midwife etc with her. She was told that if she had given birth in the hospital she’d have been in a special bereavement room, but they had just put her in a side room instead. It’s incomprehensible

The problem is, there was baby who died after having been given antihistamines to encourage sleep by the night nanny. They did not suspect criminal behaviour and evidence was not collected.

We need to do a lot more work on how to process unexpected death, without automatically criminalising the family.

It is awful and my heart goes out to her. The paramedics and police while doing their jobs clearly weren't doing it with any sensitivity.

Yes obviously a sudden death will need investigating and procedure needs to be adhered to but you just wonder why on earth this tragedy had to be made so much worse by their manner.

@denydenydenying the bereavement suite may have already been in use.

As a bereaved mum who had the police attend, I now understand why they had to be called.

They had to be called in case it wasn't a natural death. I am not excusing their behaviour, and I know first hand that it often isn't acceptable, but the paramedics calling the police is procedure to protect children.

If she had given birth in hospital they would have known it was a still birth.

I suppose whilst it was still being investigated they put her in a side room.

If she had killed the baby I assume people would have complained that they were in the bereavement room.

Of course it isn't 'incomprehensible'.

The NHS doesn't have several bereavement suites sitting there ready just in case. I would assume - if that particular unit has a bereavement suite - then it may well have been in use. Presumably a maternity hospital was preferable to A&E for a woman who has just given birth.
It is an incredibly sad situation all round. As is every still birth.
Maternity services in the country are dire, and have been for years - my eldest is 30 and they were poor then but became much worse since.

I don't think a thread with people speculating over what actually did or didn't happen to this one person is helpful to anyone.
A campaign for improved maternity services, OTOH......

The comment 'we've never seen a stillborn baby before' is accusatory to me.
There's a difference between being genuinely suspicious, and treating someone with kindness explaining that you need to call the police to tick a box. Sounds like paramedics were genuinely suspicious and got this really wrong. Poor family.

Well that is definitely your interpretation.

What I hear is just a fact.