Kelsey Parker

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/kelsey-parker-reveals-paramedics-called-33980657.amp

I really hope she sues everyone involved in her and her baby’s care. What an awful thing to go through

Yep, she was placed on a maternity unit at the hospital. What she went through was dreadful.

Sorry yes I wasn’t at all meaning to suggest that what they did was acceptable or reasonable - just challenging the suggestion that they lied.

That’s a fuck up but do you really think there was ‘evil’ intention?

I think it’s an evil action.

Do you not think it is evil, abhorrent or cruel to subject a new mother who has just lost her child to such a situation?

I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Evil action perhaps but are you saying there was evil intention? So you think someone deliberately did it just to fuck with her at a very vulnerable time?

So you think it was just an innocent mistake?

I can't get my head around how you're trying to justify any of what this poor women went through.

Why are you so intent on minimising what they did?

I’m not. I am asking if you think it was a deliberately evil act or whether the hospital was negligent and if so why medical professionals would do that?

To be honest I don’t think it matters whether they meant to be or not, they were evil.

Yes I think the hospital were negligent in not following their bereavement protocol. I can only assume it was because they had been told she was suspected of killing her baby.

I haven’t tried to justify anything. It was the OP that used the word evil so I was just trying to work out if people were saying they did it deliberately (to cause harm), negligently or because there was nowhere else?

It is a discussion forum and I am just discussing it

Thank you for clarifying - that is what I was asking. Because people may think it’s an ‘evil’ thing to do but that doesnt mean it was deliberate rather than negligent

Unfortunately that is what happens if there is an unexpected infant death. It’s the protocol. If a baby dies from SIDS the police will go to the house. It would be very unusual for a paramedic to have seen a still birth.

YANBU. I like and respect Kelsey a lot. She’d already been through such a tough time losing her husband. This is beyond heartbreaking. I really am wishing her some peace and happiness in her future after all of this.

That makes sense. However you may get jumped on for trying to justify it or something

Gosh she's been through so much already then this. Poor woman

I suspect it's protocol to call the police if paramedics turn up and there's a dead baby/child? Perhaps more training is needed/protocols need changing so if it's a birth situation stillbirth is considered before anything else.

@LiviaDrusillaAugusta yes I almost certainly will. But it’s right that things should be investigated. People would be up in arms if it turned out not to be a natural death. ( I’m not suggesting that’s it’s not, at all)

Absolutely.

People are reacting with only emotion and I think it’s the facts that need investigating. Legally, intent is relevant. I think some think it was all deliberate because of their own experiences or whatever, which I get but if she makes a legal case at some point, it’s not going to be taken into account.

This.

It is awful, obviously for anyone who loses a baby. Beyond comprehension for most of us. However 'Public Services' are between a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately, any sudden, unexpected death has to be treated as suspicious until proved (or the balance of evidence suggests) otherwise.

It is awful. I have a friend whose baby died from SIDS. But that is what happens. I can see this is also the protocol the paramedics would have to follow.

I don't know who this lady is, but it sounds like she has had unimaginable pain in recent years and I wish her some peace for the future.

What a terrible thing to happen, I’ve no idea who this woman is but my heart goes out to her and her family

She was married to some boy band member who died

Even this reply it's obvious you don't like the girl so you're not going to have any sympathy for her at all which you've clearly shown in every response you've written on this thread

The paramedics did the right thing in contacting the police. There was an unexpectedly dead baby in her home. They have to treat it as suspicious. Now of course they shoulf still have treated her with kindness and compassion but they couldn’t just assume that this was all innocent. As for her being taken to the maternity ward. Unfortunately that’s where the care she needed was. Most units have a bereavement room which might be set away from other rooms, but it will still be on maternity as that is where the midwives are which is who she needed to be seen by. It sounds like a horrendous traumatic experience for her but ultimately the paramedics will be following their training, what seems to have gone amiss is a bit of kindness and compassion which could still have been shown even whilst following protocol.

Years ago a neighbour, who lived behind us, lost their baby to SIDs. The police were there all day, with one police officer stood outside on the doorstep. It was awful. I know they have to do it, but it just seemed so insensitive.

This is absolutely appalling - so many protocols totally ignored. One slightly different angle - they thought she might have murder her baby then put her in a ward with other babies? That’s mad in itself. But having a still born baby and not having the support to say goodbye, instead mum and dad separated and made to feel guilty. It’s horrific and I hope they come through this together stronger.