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Feeling devastated after seeing this news about Afghanistan

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LovingLilacDuck · 19/05/2026 08:13

I stumbled across this on BBC — https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

I can’t stop crying. I feel so incredibly devastated that we live in such an unequal world. I cannot believe in 2026 people have to starve and children die — and girls be sold??? because of hunger. Goodness sake. That’s not right, it’s so inhumane. Seeing the tears on those tiny girls’ eyes and how fearful they are just breaks my heart so much, oh Gosh.

I just really feel sorry for these people who have to live under Taliban and suffer immensely. It’s so heartbreaking. And I know these people are not the only ones unfortunately…I just feel like we all have so much, more than we all need to and I wish we could just help the poor more as a whole world. But that doesn’t bring any profits does it???!

I wish I could do something to help, whatever that may be. Does anyone have a clue about what to do? I’d appreciate any insight. Thank you.

A man wearing a pink turban cuddles his small daughter close in front of a cracked mud wall

Afghanistan humanitarian crisis: Ghor's starving families

In Afghanistan today, a staggering three in four people cannot meet their basic needs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/05/2026 23:00

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 22:00

Yep.

We have spent billions on Afghanistan, equipping and training their army with state of the art everything while our personnel died to do so.

The second the Brits and Americans left they ran away like cowards and let the Taliban take over and do this.

Sick of the hand wringers trying to explain it away

A fair old portion of that money went straight into the bank accounts of corrupt Afghan Government officials, meaning the Afghan Armed Forces were nowhere near as well equipped or trained as they should have been, and also that the personnel themselves often hadn't been paid in months. It's nowhere near as simple as simply "running away", and that's nothing but an ignorant, offensive statement.

Afghan soldiers who hadn't been paid in months also couldn't feed their families, so its no wonder at all the idea of an Afghan armed resistance to the Taliban was only ever notional and never going to materialise. There was never an Afghan military you could describe as a credible fighting force, morale was non-existent, and expecting men to risk their lives for an utterly corrupt State that hadn't paid them in months is laughable.

quantumbutterfly · 19/05/2026 23:01

SapphireSeptember · 19/05/2026 22:38

Yeah I know, and it's fucking disgusting wherever it happens. Don't know why you're saying it happens in the USA when this is a predominantly British forum though.

And I wonder, if they had to choose, if they would rather live in Afghanistan or the US, since they're so critical of it.

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 23:01

A reminder that the UN invited the Taliban to meet with them - and sent all women out of the room at the Taliban’s request.

Hallamule · 19/05/2026 23:02

Wearenotborg · 19/05/2026 22:56

Exactly. Where are the protests, the marches, the chants? Why are Arab billionaires not rescuing these women and children? Why are people in the uk who happily March for Palestine not doing the same for Afghanistan?

Oh God not this trite tripe again. Because, unlike with Israel, our government neither arms the Taliban nor allies ourselves to them.

You do understand that the point of marching in the UK is to influence British government policy yes? Are you suggesting that we march to encourage our government to go to war in Afghanistan again? Or what are you proposing we ask them to do?

Tableforjoan · 19/05/2026 23:02

Hallamule · 19/05/2026 22:57

Explain to me how they could be safely sent then? I mean, we could set up reception points in our embassies in Pakistan, and India where they could apply for asylum without having to travel thousands of miles in the hands of smugglers but we dont, do we?

I suspect most on this thread would be a damn sight less welcoming to Afghan women if they could actually get here.

I’d be happy to welcome women and girls directly from there.

Set them up with English lessons and get them into work and childcare/education depending on age.

Give them their freedoms as best as we can.

The men can fix their country so it’s safe for their educated return one day maybe.

Not just dumped in ghettos though or in little pockets with no integration. Spread out far and wide for everyone’s best interests.

FrankieMcGrath · 19/05/2026 23:03

Screamingabdabz · 19/05/2026 22:16

What I never understand is why the modern Islamic world isn’t also up in arms about the treatment of their Muslim sisters and brothers at the hands of this rag tag bunch of scum. Surely they’re aware of Muslim children starving and being raped at the whims of the Taliban? Surely they’re aware of the misrepresentation of Islam? They could be instrumental in putting pressure and shame on this ungodly regime. But they don’t. Why?

Edited

Good question!

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 23:04

Hallamule · 19/05/2026 23:02

Oh God not this trite tripe again. Because, unlike with Israel, our government neither arms the Taliban nor allies ourselves to them.

You do understand that the point of marching in the UK is to influence British government policy yes? Are you suggesting that we march to encourage our government to go to war in Afghanistan again? Or what are you proposing we ask them to do?

Are you suggesting we should welcome the Afghan cricket team again?

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 23:05

Hallamule · 19/05/2026 23:02

Oh God not this trite tripe again. Because, unlike with Israel, our government neither arms the Taliban nor allies ourselves to them.

You do understand that the point of marching in the UK is to influence British government policy yes? Are you suggesting that we march to encourage our government to go to war in Afghanistan again? Or what are you proposing we ask them to do?

Ffs our ‘responsibility’ for Gaza is virtually zero

Wearenotborg · 19/05/2026 23:05

Hallamule · 19/05/2026 23:02

Oh God not this trite tripe again. Because, unlike with Israel, our government neither arms the Taliban nor allies ourselves to them.

You do understand that the point of marching in the UK is to influence British government policy yes? Are you suggesting that we march to encourage our government to go to war in Afghanistan again? Or what are you proposing we ask them to do?

So you want to influence cut government policy in Palestine? To do what? What exactly do you want the British government to do in Palestine? If you want the government to intervene there, why not Afghanistan?

Octavia64 · 19/05/2026 23:05

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 23:00

He may not prostitiue them out

But he can sell them into temporary hour long marriages.

Nikah mu’tah?

yes some branches of Islam will accept temporary marriages of limited duration but you couldn’t call it common and it’s subject to a lot of disagreement within Islam.

female slaves can just be sold anyway so most Islamic jurists don’t bother too much with the temporary marriage situation - in practice the female would simply be repeatedly sold (eg as under Islamic state and the Yazidis).

(for readers please note I am not Muslim and these are not my beliefs)

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 23:06

Tableforjoan · 19/05/2026 23:02

I’d be happy to welcome women and girls directly from there.

Set them up with English lessons and get them into work and childcare/education depending on age.

Give them their freedoms as best as we can.

The men can fix their country so it’s safe for their educated return one day maybe.

Not just dumped in ghettos though or in little pockets with no integration. Spread out far and wide for everyone’s best interests.

Edited

All 23 million of them?

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 23:06

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/05/2026 23:00

A fair old portion of that money went straight into the bank accounts of corrupt Afghan Government officials, meaning the Afghan Armed Forces were nowhere near as well equipped or trained as they should have been, and also that the personnel themselves often hadn't been paid in months. It's nowhere near as simple as simply "running away", and that's nothing but an ignorant, offensive statement.

Afghan soldiers who hadn't been paid in months also couldn't feed their families, so its no wonder at all the idea of an Afghan armed resistance to the Taliban was only ever notional and never going to materialise. There was never an Afghan military you could describe as a credible fighting force, morale was non-existent, and expecting men to risk their lives for an utterly corrupt State that hadn't paid them in months is laughable.

FFS are you saying they allowed the Taliban to take over, to include all the raping and paedophilia and misery, because they didn’t receive their monthly pay check? Ffs stop excusing it

Hallamule · 19/05/2026 23:06

Tableforjoan · 19/05/2026 23:02

I’d be happy to welcome women and girls directly from there.

Set them up with English lessons and get them into work and childcare/education depending on age.

Give them their freedoms as best as we can.

The men can fix their country so it’s safe for their educated return one day maybe.

Not just dumped in ghettos though or in little pockets with no integration. Spread out far and wide for everyone’s best interests.

Edited

Cool. Better start marching and petitioning then. Let's see if Reform will put it in their manifesto.

Tableforjoan · 19/05/2026 23:07

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 23:06

All 23 million of them?

We would need to look at infrastructure and what we are capable of. So no we would have to have a limit. But a limit is better than none.

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 23:07

expecting men to risk their lives for an utterly corrupt State that hadn't paid them in months is laughable.

FOR THEIR FAMILIES. Not ‘the State’. They LET THIS HAPPEN to their daughters!!! I know it’s embarrassing for your lofty ideals of equality but for fucks sake, face facts!

Chimen · 19/05/2026 23:10

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 22:57

It was Democratic presidential Carter who funded the rise of the Taliban - then the Mujahideen - as part of a proxy war with Russia.

The Taliban were ousted in early 2002. The government that followed were given a blank cheque to rebuild their country but instead they chose to squandered it all.

The corruption, the extortions, the raping of young boys is what gave rise to this taliban.

TheMentalMentalLoad · 19/05/2026 23:12

That article is a really tough read. I think I’ve been ignorant to what’s happening. It’s horrific but it’s clear that despite how much we yearn to help, there is literally nothing we can do.

Im so grateful it’s not a decision I would ever have to make for my DD.

TheMentalMentalLoad · 19/05/2026 23:13

To be clear. I’d also rather starve than ever sell her.

Twinandatwoyearold · 19/05/2026 23:16

@Octavia64

the article I linked is worth a read. Apparently raping boys isn’t seen as homosexual behaviour.

Extract -

On the contrary through his act, he is seen as a virile figure - emasculating the
inferior. In the end the act of male-male sexual penetration within a specific power dynamic not only demonstrates the penetrator’s hyper masculinity but adds to his prowess and prestige. Consequently, far from being treated as homosexuals, those Afghani men who employ boys for their sexual gratification or those who openly cohabit with their bachas or toy boys escape the categorization of homosexuality and thereby avoid persecution (as it is illegal in the Afghani context).

Furthermore, one ought to bear in mind that the essentialist sexual identity that is
heterosexual or homosexual is not clearly described or defined in the Afghani context.

Hence, it allows a man to marry a woman, have children, and at the same time cohabit with a boy sex slave. Hence, the prevalence of the Afghani (Pashtun) saying: “a wife is for procuring children and a bachha is for pleasure” (Everett, (2015a; Jones 2015). A bacha baz is a man wedded to two physical beings. The first one is his lawful wedded wife. The second one or ones are his sexual companion(s) belonging to the same sex as him. Unsurprisingly, often times one encounters a scenario where the wife ends up accepting the boy sex slaves as part
of the family (not that she has any choice in it) (Everett, 2015). Consequently, such
behaviour and practices “leave normative constructions of licit and illicit sexual behavior
unchallenged” (Dunne, 1998: 9).

After reading that article I do wonder if we are judging Afghanistan through a western lens. We assume Afghan men are sad to sell their children. We can’t imagine doing it. But are we judging from western perspective? Maybe they do not see their own children in the same way we see our (western) children.

Parents used to have huge families as they accepted some would die (in childhood or war or famine).

It is clear they do not see women the same as we see women in the West. Women are commodities. Maybe daughters are the same? In some cultures girl babies were left to die. Again I can’t imagine that but I am judging by my upbringing, values and beliefs.

I feel awful for the girls and women. The man - sadly I can imagine his tears were to get money into the country from sympathetic westerners. And after the BBC’s history on reporting and covering up pedo behaviour I don’t trust them at all.

quantumbutterfly · 19/05/2026 23:25

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 22:57

It was Democratic presidential Carter who funded the rise of the Taliban - then the Mujahideen - as part of a proxy war with Russia.

After USSR invaded Afghanistan in their last expansionist phase. Currently Pakistan is at war with Afghanistan.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/05/2026 23:26

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 23:06

FFS are you saying they allowed the Taliban to take over, to include all the raping and paedophilia and misery, because they didn’t receive their monthly pay check? Ffs stop excusing it

No, I'm not "saying" or "excusing" anything. Those are the facts. The reason there was next to no State resistance to the Taliban is because there was no coherent Afghan Armed Forces, or State apparatus to support and coordinate it.

The Taliban had always retained control of around 80-85% of Afghan territory in any case. The relative liberty and freedoms in cities was always going to disappear as soon as US troops left. You can't fight an armed conflict from a starting point of ceding almost total freedom of movement and control of teritory to your enemy, and especially not when you have absolutely no means to prosecute a conflict anyway because your armed forces are nothing but notional and not fit for purpose in any case.

The people who were supposed to be in charge of the Afghan State fled at the first sign of trouble, so there is nothing to defend from the Taliban in the first place, and yes, rock-bottom morale due to long-term non-receipt of wages has destroyed military forces as going concerns for millenia, so this is nothing unique to Afghanistan or Afghan men at all.

Why would you stand your ground and either be killed by the Taliban for it, or executed afterward assuming you do survive, when the State some mumsnetters seem to think you should be laying down your life to defend has ceased to exist, the government has done a runner, and it is also ultimately responsible for the fact your family can't feed themselves. If you are going to expect people to die in service of the State, that State has to represent something worth the sacrifice.

Feel free to just carry on with the narritive that Afghan men simply "ran away" through cowardice though. Don't let inconvenient facts get in the way. I mean, its almost as if the fact so many Afghan men are still desperate to get out of Afghanistan suggests that the Taliban are still persecuting anyone who isn't fully onboard with the idea of a dark ages Islamic Theocracy, but nah, must just be "cowardice".

Ilovecrispytofu · 19/05/2026 23:27

Papoy · 19/05/2026 22:07

Some of those comments are vile..

People are sitting in their warm houses, full fridges and stable lives and telling others how to act if they were starving.

May the universe heals your souls !

Agree 💯

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/05/2026 23:28

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 23:07

expecting men to risk their lives for an utterly corrupt State that hadn't paid them in months is laughable.

FOR THEIR FAMILIES. Not ‘the State’. They LET THIS HAPPEN to their daughters!!! I know it’s embarrassing for your lofty ideals of equality but for fucks sake, face facts!

I'm not the one needing to "face facts" here.

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 23:29

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/05/2026 23:26

No, I'm not "saying" or "excusing" anything. Those are the facts. The reason there was next to no State resistance to the Taliban is because there was no coherent Afghan Armed Forces, or State apparatus to support and coordinate it.

The Taliban had always retained control of around 80-85% of Afghan territory in any case. The relative liberty and freedoms in cities was always going to disappear as soon as US troops left. You can't fight an armed conflict from a starting point of ceding almost total freedom of movement and control of teritory to your enemy, and especially not when you have absolutely no means to prosecute a conflict anyway because your armed forces are nothing but notional and not fit for purpose in any case.

The people who were supposed to be in charge of the Afghan State fled at the first sign of trouble, so there is nothing to defend from the Taliban in the first place, and yes, rock-bottom morale due to long-term non-receipt of wages has destroyed military forces as going concerns for millenia, so this is nothing unique to Afghanistan or Afghan men at all.

Why would you stand your ground and either be killed by the Taliban for it, or executed afterward assuming you do survive, when the State some mumsnetters seem to think you should be laying down your life to defend has ceased to exist, the government has done a runner, and it is also ultimately responsible for the fact your family can't feed themselves. If you are going to expect people to die in service of the State, that State has to represent something worth the sacrifice.

Feel free to just carry on with the narritive that Afghan men simply "ran away" through cowardice though. Don't let inconvenient facts get in the way. I mean, its almost as if the fact so many Afghan men are still desperate to get out of Afghanistan suggests that the Taliban are still persecuting anyone who isn't fully onboard with the idea of a dark ages Islamic Theocracy, but nah, must just be "cowardice".

It is cowardice. Misogyny, cowardice and a blind following of an evil ideology.

No ‘complex factors’ would ever make me abandon my small daughter to be trafficked. None. Not ever. I would rather die.

The fact is these men view women as subhuman and not worth exerting any effort to save.

CoffeeAndCats3 · 19/05/2026 23:36

elgreco · 19/05/2026 08:17

I have no fucking sympathy for afghani men. The sit and watch and tolerate their female family members being fucked over generation after generation. They let it happen. Id starve before selling my child.

Did you read the article? She would have died without surgery which he could never afford. So the choice was either - death - or have another 5 years and then she is married off, at 10. The Dad not eating would not have solved this problem.

Awful decision to have to make. What a cruel world :(