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Insensitive medical staff

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Wtafdidido · Yesterday 00:33

In the last 10 months I have battled cancer, had chemotherapy, immunotherapy, radiotherapy and two major surgeries. I have had pneumonia, sepsis, 2 life threatening haemorrhages, and been diagnosed with a lifelong serious life changing medical condition due to the treatment, am on steroids almost constantly and am now facing my cancer having spread. Today at a routine appointment the really rude male doctor not only treated me like I was stupid and never addressed or acknowledged me once said to me at the end that I should really focus on losing weight as being fat makes his job harder and said post menopausal women really ought to be putting more effort into weight loss. Never once did he acknowledge any of what I have dealt with this year. I’ve lost my hair, my body has changed and my self esteem is already in the toilet with how I look. I know I’m fat. I know I’ve put on weight but his attitude just withered me. It was a big deal for me to even go to the appointment as anything hospital related is hugely traumatic as I’ve been diagnosed with medical ptsd. Why are so many medical professionals so rude and so bloody insensitive?

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pizzaHeart · Yesterday 00:38

It’s outrageous OP.
sending you hugs and 💐

HowDoesYourGard3nGrow · Yesterday 00:41

I'm so sorry you've been through so much - you've done amazingly to cope with all of that. What an awful man. Sending love.

Leighonseawoman · Yesterday 00:47

Keep your chin up sweetheart 🤗. You are doing marvellously.
Don't let an arrogant little twit get you down

Ponderingwindow · Yesterday 00:47

I’ve been there so many times over the years. Sometimes it’s been a doctor who was great for years that I think maybe just had a bad day. Others it was the first visit and definitely was the last.

it always hurts and it always seems to happen when we are at our most vulnerable.

one doctor was so bad that every time I ever saw her again in a hospital corridor I would have a panic attack.

i try to remember that most of my doctors are good at what they do. That doesn’t fix the problem, but I have to focus on that because I have to drag myself back to those appointments. You just have to find a way to push past it and get what you need from the system.

tldr: being sick sucks and the bad apples make it so much worse

Pinkissmart · Yesterday 00:48

Omg, complain. He is a disgrace.
You, however are a fucking rockstar. His opinion or the size of your arse won’t change that.

Kingsleadhat · Yesterday 01:00

Please if you have the energy complain. What a self important, ignorant wankstain of a man. You have dealt with epic challenges that would floor the likes of him. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near patients if he doesn't know how to function as a human. Big hugs x

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 01:02

This is terrible

But also, you are on steroids and he's banging on about your weight?

What is it with these people?

Apupandablanket · Yesterday 01:08

Wtafdidido · Yesterday 00:33

In the last 10 months I have battled cancer, had chemotherapy, immunotherapy, radiotherapy and two major surgeries. I have had pneumonia, sepsis, 2 life threatening haemorrhages, and been diagnosed with a lifelong serious life changing medical condition due to the treatment, am on steroids almost constantly and am now facing my cancer having spread. Today at a routine appointment the really rude male doctor not only treated me like I was stupid and never addressed or acknowledged me once said to me at the end that I should really focus on losing weight as being fat makes his job harder and said post menopausal women really ought to be putting more effort into weight loss. Never once did he acknowledge any of what I have dealt with this year. I’ve lost my hair, my body has changed and my self esteem is already in the toilet with how I look. I know I’m fat. I know I’ve put on weight but his attitude just withered me. It was a big deal for me to even go to the appointment as anything hospital related is hugely traumatic as I’ve been diagnosed with medical ptsd. Why are so many medical professionals so rude and so bloody insensitive?

That's a disgusting way to speak (and not address you) to you. I'm so sorry for both your health, the extensive treatment and side effects, but most sorry for this doctor and any other medical professionals who don't keep their patients at the core of their work.

Do you have the energy and ability to make a complaint?

HumphreyCushionintheHouse · Yesterday 01:10

It’s incredible to me that you are still standing. What a trooper you are. I’m so sorry for all you are going through.

The doctor, on the other hand, is an arsehole.

Selkie33 · Yesterday 01:10

@Wtafdidido that's both outrageous and soul destroying for you.

You would be perfectly reasonable to contact PALS if you feel able.

Do try not to waste any more of your energy nor head space on this condescending arsehole. 🌸

levitational · Yesterday 01:11

Medical misogyny; it's rife. But I'm so sorry it's happened to you, especially given everything else that you're dealing with. I'm sending you all the best, and sincerely hope you don't have to encounter such godawful arseholery again.

MarchionessVonSausage · Yesterday 01:30

It's so unfair that all this has been heaped on you OP.

What a dick of a doctor. Some of them are just like that.

It's not only misogyny, although that is definitely a factor. My friend's brother is having chemo currently and was so sick on the weekend he drove himself to the local hospital. On giving his date of birth, the doctor said 'Happy Birthday, hope your day improves" and walked out.

Some of them just have zero bedside manner.

Sending love 🌹

Elise90 · Yesterday 01:43

I'm so sorry. You're doing amazingly and you should be incredibly proud of yourself. Don't waste a minute worrying about what that pathetic ignorant doctor said. Unfortunately too many drs and other healthcare workers are deeply misogynistic, have no people skills, or are as thick as pig shit, and that dr was clearly all three. 💐

BeeHive909 · Yesterday 01:44

Some of them have zero bedside manner. Im so sorry. And also steroids can make you balloon massively I’ve been there myself. My Consultant when I was having chemo one day decided to rock up at the hospital and tell me I should be sent to the scrap yard. I went to absolute pieces in there and luckily the nurses heard him and kicked him out of the ward. I’ve never forgiven him and will never ever see him.

Gagaandgag · Yesterday 01:52

Absolute disgrace

Penkie · Yesterday 02:01

What hurtful comments from someone who should know better.
I wish nothing bad on anyone, but

FiveShelties · Yesterday 02:09

That's dreadful @Wtafdidido I would definitely complain if you have the energy for it.💐

daleylama · Yesterday 03:02

Wtafdidido · Yesterday 00:33

In the last 10 months I have battled cancer, had chemotherapy, immunotherapy, radiotherapy and two major surgeries. I have had pneumonia, sepsis, 2 life threatening haemorrhages, and been diagnosed with a lifelong serious life changing medical condition due to the treatment, am on steroids almost constantly and am now facing my cancer having spread. Today at a routine appointment the really rude male doctor not only treated me like I was stupid and never addressed or acknowledged me once said to me at the end that I should really focus on losing weight as being fat makes his job harder and said post menopausal women really ought to be putting more effort into weight loss. Never once did he acknowledge any of what I have dealt with this year. I’ve lost my hair, my body has changed and my self esteem is already in the toilet with how I look. I know I’m fat. I know I’ve put on weight but his attitude just withered me. It was a big deal for me to even go to the appointment as anything hospital related is hugely traumatic as I’ve been diagnosed with medical ptsd. Why are so many medical professionals so rude and so bloody insensitive?

That's truly awful. Luckily those old school chauvinists seem to be mostly retired now. I've a similar history to you with cancer treatment on repeat from 1998 to now and have to say that most medical people have been engaged, respectful and informative . Wishing you better luck..and maybe a quick chat to the PALS office to lodge your complaint

PS5Gamer · Yesterday 03:24

You are amazing OP.

When you feel up to it put a complaint into PALS.

I had horrible treatment from a Consultant once, so much so I snapped back and actually said to him who the fuck did he think he was talking to. It was like a wake up call to him, and his whole manner changed. I complained to PALS, who were fantastic.

ImFinePMSL · Yesterday 03:29

I guarantee he would never speak to a male patient like this.

What an absolute cunt. Report this in writing to the Trust’s PALs and the CQC.

I’m so sorry you had to experience that. I send solidarity, as I have recently been diagnosed with an incurable chronic illness and have suffered lots of traumatic medical gaslighting. Women’s healthcare and the complete lack of empathy we receive is atrocious.

Rockschooldropout · Yesterday 03:41

Please put a complaint in if you feel up to it - That kind of behaviour is absolutely disgusting 😕 I’ll 100 vouch for the fact that he wouldn’t have spoken to a man that way

you’ve been through so so much .. you are incredible and he is just a fucktrumpet .

I hope you have lots of support at home x Are you having therapy for the PTSD?

I finished targeted therapy last summer and I’ve had a flat closure mastectomy , chemo and herceptin, I’ve developed an auto immune disorder and piled weight on .. I’ve been lucky no one has dared say anything about my weight although it’s on my notes “ talk to patient about weight management” but I don’t think they date as the menopause treatment plunged me into also means prodding me with weight related comments is not a sensible thing to do 🤣
I am having counselling now as I’m genuinely terrified of anything medical now .. even routine blood tests at the GPs are stressful

Ragnarok26 · Yesterday 03:43

Definitely report to PALS; my partner (ex cardiac nurse with multiple conditions) has just had a similar experience with a doctor at one of the medium sized hospitals in the north west of England. Medical misogyny seems to be the latest game lots of consultants and their registrars love playing - and it isn't only the men in some cases.

Some of them should frankly be locked up in a pathology lab and never allowed out. I'm also mystified by how many of them never seem to read the patient notes before they dispense their wisdom.

Luckily SOME of the newer female residents - and a handful of the guys - are starting to wake up now.

You are amazing, though; look at what you've been through and yet you're still standing.

marathebest · Yesterday 04:48

Ignore him OP. He probably couldn't get through menopause or , heaven forfend , deal with periods every month for years, he's a knob. I hope your health improves.

TightlyLacedCorset · Yesterday 05:16

I'm so sorry OP that is disgraceful! Utterly unacceptable. Do complain if you're up to it, but it's a lot when you have serious health problems I know. You're a trooper. I am in awe of you getting through all that and still battling with cancer. You inspire me!! Fuck him. He's a man. Overall he has steady hormone levels month in, month out, he will never experience menopause, and he's not on steroids which wreck havoc with your cortisol levels, which in turn affects your other hormones including insulin receptivity, which in turn affects your weight. That's before we get anywhere near your immune system being weaker after chemo. How the hell do these people not stop and think about these basic things before they start castigating patients?

Misogyny is absolutely rife in the NHS and it's so pervasive many female doctors have to squeeze into the same mould just to get through training, so unfortunately you don't always get better care from them either. I feel they could be doing more to address the issue from within though as it's something that comes up repeatedly and it's just not good enough.

I once left a consultation in tears after an appointment with a frankly scary doctor who asked me how many sexual partners I had and what my martial status was during a - wait for it - GASTROENTEROLOGY appointment. When I pushed back and asked what these questions had to do with why I had been referred, he raised his voice and gave me a diatribe about unmarried women in their twenties being attention seekers because they suffer with 'profound anxiety' because they do not have kids and I was clearly there to waste his time and this was proved by my 'aggressive' response to his questions..questions about my sex life! Then clearly aware that he overstepped the boundaries, he went on to tell me that he was the lead consult not only for the hospital I was in, but requested as advisory consult and surgeon for every other hospital in the area. I honestly couldn't believe what the appointment had turned into. I bloody well should have reported him right away, but was young at the time, and was in shock because I hadn't expected anything like that! It was like a comedy sketch it was so blatantly sexist. I had a follow up procedure two weeks later and there were two nurses in the room this time and his behaviour switched 360° to a full charm and ultra professional offensive. I just remember holding onto the nurses' hand and directing all my conversation to her and she kept telling me to relax, thinking I was just anxious about the procedure. When in fact it was him I was afraid of and I requested she stay near me in the side room afterwards.

There have been other misogynistic encounters. Even talking about menopause with the GP is seemingly a chore. It's systemic in my view. Is it getting better? I wouldn't say so. My personal view is women need separate services and there ought to be 'well women' centres. Of course it's unfeasible but that's what's needed in my view. Too many women are vulnerable and underserved in the current system.

My advice OP is if you can, have someone with you in appointments for support and advocacy on your behalf. Preferably a man. The difference is startling and sobering in equal measure.

I wish you strength and don't let this get you down. It's a very much shared experience, unfortunately. You're remarkable.

Wishing you well💐

Passaggressfedup · Yesterday 07:48

This is outrageous! Losing weight when you're on steroid treatment. How not only insensitive but also lacking medical understanding.

You need to complain. This is unacceptable by any form of clinical standards. Maybe had a bad day that day but he needs to recognise the impact of his words.