Why do we put animals out of their misery but let humans suffer?

[Freshton]

A relative is currently dying a slow and horrible death from terminal cancer. In palliative phase and last few days now as can't swallow or take any liquids.

It's truly opened my eyes. I had no idea how medieval things were still when it comes to death. I've been truly horrified at what people are expected to endure in their final weeks and what their relatives have to witness.

I can't understand why we put animals to sleep to spare them suffering but humans still have to deal with this slow and undignified end.

I've never been much in favour of assisted dying as not had to think about it but after seeing what I've seen, I really hope something can change. I'll be haunted for the rest of my life by what I've seen in last few weeks.

Argh I hate this argument about having the choice to commit suicide, but not the choice to do it peacefully. Gross.

So you’ve witnessed someone dying a slow and painful death?

Not in the UK we don't. People could choose to take their own lives but to ensure they had the physical capability to do it, they will have to do it much earlier than if we had assisted dying and it would be with considerably less dignified. That is not a choice.

No it isn’t. You have the choice to die, anytime you want to. No one is taking any choice away from you. You don’t need the state to pay for your choice or pay for help. I object to funding suicide or euthanasia with tax payer money,

It's not a slippery slope. Canada is the exception, not the rule. Also, the bill that the HoL have just filibustered out of existence would have been the most tightly regulated assisted dying law in the world (far too tightly in my opinion as it would not have helped the incurably suffering)

The law you are backing requires the physical ability to overdose on oral medication. It’s not going to buy anyone any extra time.

In addition, death cannot be made dignified. Any death by overdose has the same side effects, risk of failure, disturbing things are still witnessed, it’s not painless or serene.

Totally agree OP.

Objection overruled.

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OK. Maybe go and read up about it. You clearly don't understand.

I hope you never have to go through what so many of us have. Although perhaps only then will you understand.

Blame Harold Shipman. Hope he’s rotting in hell.

Awww OP, I feel the same.
my uncle is in a care home, absolutely addled with dementia- can’t walk or speak now. Some time ago he asked if he could ‘go,end’ and then said ‘but I don’t know how’
i know what he wanted.
my DDog was prs two years ago, it was peaceful and sweet - I so wanted to do this for my uncle.

‘object to funding suicide or euthanasia with tax payer money‘

😵‍💫🙈🤦🏼‍♀️. My god every time I think i’ve read some nonsense on here I log back in and there’s more of it! If I think of how our tax pounds are wasted every second of every minute of every day, and this poster wants to make the argument that allowing people a peaceful death is objectionable to the tax payer 🤣. Good lord.

Unfortunately, people who haven’t experienced something personally often can’t fully grasp the amount of pain and suffering that dying can involve. I once cared for a 106-year-old lady who couldn’t walk, could barely swallow, and only saw her carers for 30 minutes at a time, four times a day. Whenever she was lucid and not hallucinating, she would either ask to die or ask to be carried into the garden because she wanted to feel the sun on her cheeks. We weren’t allowed to carry her anywhere. For six years, all she saw were the walls of her bedroom; she couldn’t even tolerate watching television. Much of the time she spoke to people who weren’t there, though occasionally she would come through and say things like, “Oh, I’m being fed soup.” During the last five months of her life, she screamed in pain whenever she was awake.
Ask yourself honestly whether you would want to spend your final years living like that. Then ask yourself: for whose benefit are you of the opinion that we should force people to endure a final few years like this lady’s?

Because there is no way to implement safeguards that would prevent horrific abuse bring inflicted on elderly and disabled people.

Sadly, there’s a post like this on here once a week @Freshton . You’re not alone. I hoped the government (like dying people give a fuck who let them down - Parliament or House of Lords; when you’re dying or watching a loved one die horribly, it’s just governmental bullshit) wouldn’t be a bunch of political fuckwits over assisted dying but OF COURSE they were.

I do understand and it is because I have researched it extensively that I am against assisted dying.

It is pure naivety to believe that the UK won’t go the way of the other nations that have passed these laws and within a decade fall into widespread abuse with state sanctioned murder of the elderly and disabled.

editing- naivety or nationalist arrogance

As a cancer nurse I have seen wonderful peaceful deaths, and awful traumatic ones. I can’t support assisted dying until public services are sorted in this country- properly funded palliative care and mental health services which are not reliant on charity funding

Does a living will help with this? Can we consent whilst we have capacity to be used further down the line if we lose capacity?

I have experienced it. But ask yourself would 5.5yrs of suffering be much different from 6yrs? And ask yourself why was her care so bad that she was suffering that much pain and even the simplest request for something as going into a garden was denied to her?

What you have described is horrible palliative care and the solution to that is not to kill people as soon as they need palliative care.

Oh come on. All the safeguarding that they promised was being eroded before the bill even passed. The slippery slope concerns came true right from the start. That’s why it failed.

I completely agree.

It’s not a guaranteed peaceful death. Assisted dying is being romanticised.

Not to mention that Canada isn’t the exception. Every other country has gone or is following the same trajectory.

Wtf?!! I’ve seen it all now.