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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

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Fluffypuppy1 · 15/05/2026 16:36

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:07

Yes I did extra stuff and did some of my manager's work as well.

Yes I was exceeding my hours.

I will be slower because I will not be dealing with tasks at 7am. I will wait until after 9. Usually when he starts work, I have cleared most stuff already. But that won't happen anymore.

Maybe he doesn’t want you doing his work at all? He’s delaying you from starting work so you can’t do his work before he can.

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:36

Maybe he doesn’t actually want you working over hours

GuelderRoses · 15/05/2026 16:39

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:14

On average about from 6, sometimes 10 hours

Unpaid?

JarvisIsland · 15/05/2026 16:41

WhatAMarvelousTune · 15/05/2026 13:28

YANBU. You’ll be commuting now anyway, obviously that’s what you’ll be doing pre-9am, so can’t be working.

At an old job of mine, there was a role done by one guy, and I was the only person who could cover it (it was a fairly small company). He was off for 2 weeks so I was doing 2 full time jobs, and his role was pretty intense. I was in the office until ~10pm, by myself, for the first week. We had clock in/out cards, and on the Monday of the second week the other guy was off, my manager called me in and he had my clock in/out times up on the screen. He could see I’d been in until 10pm all week, and had mainly arrived around 7:30/8am, but on the Friday I’d clocked in at 09:04. He wanted to talk to me to tell me that that lateness was unacceptable.
Ok. Fine. My bad. I’m supposed to be in at 9 so I will be. I’ll also be out the door at 17:30 and you can deal with the clients who want to know where the work is.

I literally left a job due to this nitpicking. What time were you here til, gone 8pm. What time did you arrive the next day. 9.06. Let's drag you in about timekeeping. It got petty but actually after a while the being petty stopped me enjoying the work and it wasn't worth the hassle compared to just doing what was needed. So I found a more flexible job and I'm loving it.

Hallamule · 15/05/2026 16:44

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:14

On average about from 6, sometimes 10 hours

That's crazy, no wonder you're being pulled in.

Mumofteenandtween · 15/05/2026 16:45

I have a funny story along these lines.

Years and years and years ago Dh worked for a company that sold something in two different ways. Either via a website or via the phone.

The website took 60% (and climbing!) of the business and the phones 40%.

The phones were staffed by about 100 people who worked very strict shifts in the office.

The website was staff by 6 blokes in their 20s and 30s who were supposed to work 9-5:30pm but seemed to turn up at all sorts of random hours often looking scruffy and sometimes looking like they had been up all night. It was a source of constant tension as all the call centre staff and most of the management hated the website blokes.

Most of the website business was done in the evenings.

A new manager was brought in to “sort out the web team”. He announced that they had to be in the office from 9 - 5:30pm with no exceptions and set a dress code.

So they did.

It was awesome. I got to see so much of dh!

About a month later they noticed that the web sales seemed to have fallen. Another month and still down. Nobody knew why.

Eventually Dh felt sorry for the manager and explained that the website had its highest traffic at about 10pm each night. If it ever went down then they would all get an immediate alert and some / all of them
would immediately start working to fix it. Often they would get it back up within minutes. Sometimes they would work through the night.

He also explained that the 6 of them had built the website when this complex web development was in its infancy and at the time it was the first of its kind in the UK. And as a result they all saw it as their baby and keeping it working was very important to them.

But now if it went down at 8pm it wasn’t fixed at 8:02pm or 10pm or 1am or 4am depending on the nature of the problem. Instead it was fixed at 9:02am the next day. (Or 11am. Or 2pm. Or 5pm.) Either way a whole night of business was lost. But no one was arriving in the office late looking awful as they had been up all night fixing it.

Manager decided perhaps they didn’t need to be in 9 - 5:30pm after all. They decided they liked fixed hours. Manager had to pay for an “on call” system to cover each night. We had a lovely holiday that year. 😂

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:45

Littlebobbin15 · 15/05/2026 16:19

informal flexi time can mean a disconnect between perception and reality.
Just an example, not saying the OP is doing this, but I’ve seen it happen, a single email answered at 7pm taking 5 mins (which no one asked anyone to be available to answer) does not equate to x2 blocks of half an hour per day unavailability around school pick ups.
This is where issues and bad feeling around flexibility arise from all parties, clarity is needed on working hours and times.

Edited

Yes I agree with you and OP seems quite obstinate that her way is best - I’m not sure this is her managers view

OP are you doing all that extra work so your school run times (or similar) aren’t queried?

you said flexible so you must be taking some time in the office hours day

LlynTegid · 15/05/2026 16:46

You can try something new one day a week. Manager is another example of the Peter Principle.

Or David Brent reincarnated.

Malicious compliance seems reasonable.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:47

Besafeeatcake · 15/05/2026 16:20

Sorry OP I think you have it wrong here:

'If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.'

You are making this about you and it isn't. There may be a need to justify the office space, or overall productivity of the team is lower when not together etc.

They haven't said they don't trust you. They have asked you to work in your place of business during their working hours.

How am I making this about me? I am talking about my situation. It only affects me as I the only full time member of staff. The rest of staff are part time and they are not being expected to come in on set days at set hours.

I will come into the office more of course but I will drop the additional work so it will go to the manager or the part timers.

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:49

Fluffypuppy1 · 15/05/2026 16:36

Maybe he doesn’t want you doing his work at all? He’s delaying you from starting work so you can’t do his work before he can.

He should just say so instead of praising me and saying I showed initiative in doing so.

I won't be doing it anymore from now on.

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:49

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:47

How am I making this about me? I am talking about my situation. It only affects me as I the only full time member of staff. The rest of staff are part time and they are not being expected to come in on set days at set hours.

I will come into the office more of course but I will drop the additional work so it will go to the manager or the part timers.

You are very blinkered

you have assumed it’s a worse option

are feeling militant about hours

making it personal

maybe he/she just want you to be regular staff member and not take on all the extra work

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:50

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 15/05/2026 16:17

So one of the part timers could have an extra days work.

The part timers do not want extra work. They have been offered it and said no.

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:50

And I can imagine when you are in the office you will give a huge explanation at any opportunity why it worked best before

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:51

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:50

And I can imagine when you are in the office you will give a huge explanation at any opportunity why it worked best before

I am not going to say anything. I will go along with his new different way and watch him get annoyed when stuff doesn't get done as fast before he even starts work anymore 😂

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MaryTheMagical · 15/05/2026 16:51

I’m going to guess someone in the wider office team has complained that you are supposed to be full time but “away” during the day.

I would make sure that you arrive at 8.58am, then the first ten mins will be unpacking your laptop and logging in.

By 9.15am you will be up and running. You’ll have to stop at at 16.55 to pack up and leave. So already 20 mins lost

I would say to manager “no problem at all, I trust you appreciate it means I will not be able to work the extra hours at home now, since I’ll be travelling a lot more and I won’t be able to squeeze in the unpaid overtime. That’s fine by me but please note so that it doesn’t come as a shock when we switch to the new working pattern.”

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:52

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:49

You are very blinkered

you have assumed it’s a worse option

are feeling militant about hours

making it personal

maybe he/she just want you to be regular staff member and not take on all the extra work

How am I blinkered? I have agreed to the new regime. It will be easier for me in terms of workload but harder for him and the part timers.

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:53

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:51

I am not going to say anything. I will go along with his new different way and watch him get annoyed when stuff doesn't get done as fast before he even starts work anymore 😂

That’s not the way - for you to be happy at work and for good working relations

you are starting an Umbridge before you are even there

midnights92 · 15/05/2026 16:53

You might find this has nothing to do with you. There could be other people in the team taking the piss and he has had to reign back in the freedom to stop that. He can't really have one rule for and something for everyone else, and nor can he really tell you why he's doing it, hence the very vague reasoning.

I say this as someone who would prefer to manage very flexibly as it worked well for me and most of my team, but if you have a few awkward beggars the standards have to be set around them.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:53

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:45

Yes I agree with you and OP seems quite obstinate that her way is best - I’m not sure this is her managers view

OP are you doing all that extra work so your school run times (or similar) aren’t queried?

you said flexible so you must be taking some time in the office hours day

Edited

The work has always involved some out of office hours due to issues that crop up. The manager knows this of course and said it was fine if I took time in the day if needed.

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:53

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:52

How am I blinkered? I have agreed to the new regime. It will be easier for me in terms of workload but harder for him and the part timers.

Because you think how you see it is how it is and that’s final

he has said he wants to try something different- it’s not personal

MaryTheMagical · 15/05/2026 16:54

I agree with you op - I would also be exasperated by this. At least if he gave you a reason it would help!

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:54

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:53

That’s not the way - for you to be happy at work and for good working relations

you are starting an Umbridge before you are even there

What is the way then?

I have agreed to the new regime and will not object.

How is it an Umbridge?

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:55

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:53

The work has always involved some out of office hours due to issues that crop up. The manager knows this of course and said it was fine if I took time in the day if needed.

You haven’t answered the question - I think you’ve done a deal in your own head

are you regularly doing school run or similar.

because taking time back when needed doesn’t equate to every day

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:55

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:53

Because you think how you see it is how it is and that’s final

he has said he wants to try something different- it’s not personal

I am going along with the new regime.

Like I said, it will mean less hours for me and more work for him and the part timers.

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:56

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 16:55

You haven’t answered the question - I think you’ve done a deal in your own head

are you regularly doing school run or similar.

because taking time back when needed doesn’t equate to every day

I rarely do the school run.

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