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Housing isn't a source of unearned wealth

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Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 14:59

If you bought in the last 20 years.

Houses are now worth the same as they were worth 20 years ago in real terms. We need to get over the idea that every homeowner is sat on a money making asset and therefore is in a preferential position to pay loads of tax on all this non existent unearned wealth. Too many people don't understand how inflation works. £1 in 2006 is worth £1.65 today. House prices need to go up 65% just to be worth the same in real terms.

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AllBranGirl · 14/05/2026 17:13

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 16:56

Seriously? 😣 Is this what MN is coming to?

It's clearly a subject worthy of debate and discussion. This is the point of the forum.

Telling women we need to get over something doesn’t sound like you want ‘debate and discussion’ 🤣

Nice try anyway x

JoWawa · 14/05/2026 17:13

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 15:46

CGT for landlords is an issue though. Why should they pay tax on selling something that hasn't actually appreciated in value?

I also think it has long term implications for IHT. Proponents always say that the majority of what is taxed is unearned wealth through profit but what if it isn't?

They won't

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2026 17:14

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 15:46

CGT for landlords is an issue though. Why should they pay tax on selling something that hasn't actually appreciated in value?

I also think it has long term implications for IHT. Proponents always say that the majority of what is taxed is unearned wealth through profit but what if it isn't?

You don't pay CGT on your primary residence - your home.

For landlords, if the building hasn't increased much in price, there won't be much capital gains tax to pay.

Backedoffhackedoff · 14/05/2026 17:14

Safarisagoody · 14/05/2026 17:12

Then you should know that it is subsidised no? And you should know that it is not entirely self funded as you make out. And that the majority of people in them are having their rent paid by benefits which maintains it,

It’s not subsidised. Tell me, how you think this works?
Who gives out the money, to who? What is the process of this happening as you understand it?

Marmalademorning · 14/05/2026 17:14

I agree with you OP. But I’m betting that a lot of the rabid Labour voting socialists on here won’t.

Lunde · 14/05/2026 17:14

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 14:59

If you bought in the last 20 years.

Houses are now worth the same as they were worth 20 years ago in real terms. We need to get over the idea that every homeowner is sat on a money making asset and therefore is in a preferential position to pay loads of tax on all this non existent unearned wealth. Too many people don't understand how inflation works. £1 in 2006 is worth £1.65 today. House prices need to go up 65% just to be worth the same in real terms.

House price rises have truly outstripped general inflation in many areas over time so some people have made huge gains - it depends where and when you bought.

Houses that may have cost less than £30,000 in London in the 1980s would have been around £100,000 if they had kept pace with inflation but are changing hands at £600,000-£750,000 - so greatly exceeded inflation

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:14

CoverLikelyZebra · 14/05/2026 17:11

You have a minor point @Itchthescratch but someone who gains £100,000 over 5 years from possessing a property that they bought for £400,000 and sold for £500,000 didn't actually do anything to earn that £100,000 compared with someone who earned £20,000 per year over the same 5 years by actually doing work, did they?

But yes possibly inflation could play a role - but as income, capital gains is under-taxed at only 18% for basic rate taxpayers and 24% for higher rare payers. I would support a policy change to say that capital gains tax should only be charged on the difference between the increase in value since purchase and the inflation level over the same period if combined with the tax rate charged being uplifted 40% for all.

They haven't earned £100k though in real terms as they have simply owned a depreciating asset. They have lost money. They can buy less with the £500k now than they could but with the £400k 5 years ago.

The person earning £20k a year will have actually made money. This is what I mean about people not understanding how inflation works.

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Anyahyacinth · 14/05/2026 17:15

I think the maths is wrong or the language; a pound several years ago is worth less in spending power today not more.

Paytovote · 14/05/2026 17:15

Our house is worth a third of what it would cost to rebuild.

You couldn’t actually do it now. You would never get your money back.

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:16

Lunde · 14/05/2026 17:14

House price rises have truly outstripped general inflation in many areas over time so some people have made huge gains - it depends where and when you bought.

Houses that may have cost less than £30,000 in London in the 1980s would have been around £100,000 if they had kept pace with inflation but are changing hands at £600,000-£750,000 - so greatly exceeded inflation

Yes, it depends on region and timeframe. My poing is though that people could be sitting on houses that have nominally doubled in value but are actually worth less in real terms than they were when they bought them. People still seem to be confusing this with unearned wealth.

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AmberTigerEyes · 14/05/2026 17:16

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:12

Savills has their maths wrong as the data shows house values have outpaced inflation and then recently dipped.

https://business.zoopla.co.uk/20-years-of-house-price-growth

https://www.jrf.org.uk/income-savings-and-debt/weak-income-growth-leaves-people-with-little-resilience-to-shocks

https://www.thechamberlaingroup.com/2026/05/08/house-prices-versus-inflation/

A chart is worth a thousand words.

Housing isn't a source of unearned wealth
Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:16

Anyahyacinth · 14/05/2026 17:15

I think the maths is wrong or the language; a pound several years ago is worth less in spending power today not more.

No, a pound is worth less in spending power today. That is how inflation works.

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Maybe5 · 14/05/2026 17:17

I don't know why they ever got rid of indexation for CGT. It's basically a wealth tax now rather than a tax on capital gains. (I know some people would support a wealth tax but we ought to be honest at least about what we are taxing.)

shuggles · 14/05/2026 17:18

@Itchthescratch Houses are now worth the same as they were worth 20 years ago in real terms.

Correct.

We need to get over the idea that every homeowner is sat on a money making asset and therefore is in a preferential position to pay loads of tax on all this non existent unearned wealth. Too many people don't understand how inflation works. £1 in 2006 is worth £1.65 today. House prices need to go up 65% just to be worth the same in real terms.

Are you bitter because you've just discovered that your home wasn't the passive money-making asset that you thought it was?

The real issue here might be your attitude towards housing and property. For decades, home-owners have tried to appropriate housing and land as "assets," rather than places to live. This forced appropriation is what made the price of housing skyrocket over the past few decades.

Really, what we should have been doing as a society was building plentiful housing, to make sure everyone can have their own home, rather than deliberately restricting the housing supply in a bizarre attempt to try to generate more wealth for home owners.

By the way... no one actually profits from rising house prices. Everyone needs a place to live, so if you tried to sell your house to release cash, you would end up buying another house anyway. The only winner from rising house prices is the greedy bankers, smiling with glee while rubbing their hands together.

If you wanted more wealth, then perhaps you should have invested your money elsewhere... you know, actual investments, instead of property.

MasterBeth · 14/05/2026 17:19

Adelle79360 · 14/05/2026 17:00

The £1m tax free is not correct. It’s £325k per person rising to £500k per person if you’re leaving your estate to your children or grandchildren. A spouse can benefit from the other spouse‘s limit.

Guess what? If you add those figures together, you get "up to £1m."

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:19

AmberTigerEyes · 14/05/2026 17:16

Edited

Your graph shows only 10 years and conveniently cuts out the 2008 crash.

All the rest of your links don't disprove what I'm saying. In fact the first one shows that house price growth has been below inflation in the last twenty years which has been over 80%.

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AmberTigerEyes · 14/05/2026 17:20

shuggles · 14/05/2026 17:18

@Itchthescratch Houses are now worth the same as they were worth 20 years ago in real terms.

Correct.

We need to get over the idea that every homeowner is sat on a money making asset and therefore is in a preferential position to pay loads of tax on all this non existent unearned wealth. Too many people don't understand how inflation works. £1 in 2006 is worth £1.65 today. House prices need to go up 65% just to be worth the same in real terms.

Are you bitter because you've just discovered that your home wasn't the passive money-making asset that you thought it was?

The real issue here might be your attitude towards housing and property. For decades, home-owners have tried to appropriate housing and land as "assets," rather than places to live. This forced appropriation is what made the price of housing skyrocket over the past few decades.

Really, what we should have been doing as a society was building plentiful housing, to make sure everyone can have their own home, rather than deliberately restricting the housing supply in a bizarre attempt to try to generate more wealth for home owners.

By the way... no one actually profits from rising house prices. Everyone needs a place to live, so if you tried to sell your house to release cash, you would end up buying another house anyway. The only winner from rising house prices is the greedy bankers, smiling with glee while rubbing their hands together.

If you wanted more wealth, then perhaps you should have invested your money elsewhere... you know, actual investments, instead of property.

Edited

Agree houses are not meant to be an investment. If it were an investment, like a stock, they should have sold at the peak.

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:20

shuggles · 14/05/2026 17:18

@Itchthescratch Houses are now worth the same as they were worth 20 years ago in real terms.

Correct.

We need to get over the idea that every homeowner is sat on a money making asset and therefore is in a preferential position to pay loads of tax on all this non existent unearned wealth. Too many people don't understand how inflation works. £1 in 2006 is worth £1.65 today. House prices need to go up 65% just to be worth the same in real terms.

Are you bitter because you've just discovered that your home wasn't the passive money-making asset that you thought it was?

The real issue here might be your attitude towards housing and property. For decades, home-owners have tried to appropriate housing and land as "assets," rather than places to live. This forced appropriation is what made the price of housing skyrocket over the past few decades.

Really, what we should have been doing as a society was building plentiful housing, to make sure everyone can have their own home, rather than deliberately restricting the housing supply in a bizarre attempt to try to generate more wealth for home owners.

By the way... no one actually profits from rising house prices. Everyone needs a place to live, so if you tried to sell your house to release cash, you would end up buying another house anyway. The only winner from rising house prices is the greedy bankers, smiling with glee while rubbing their hands together.

If you wanted more wealth, then perhaps you should have invested your money elsewhere... you know, actual investments, instead of property.

Edited

None of this is true. I am just tired of people pretending that homeowners are sat on a load of unearned wealth that is ripe to be taxed. It simply isn't true for people that have bought in the last 20 years.

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Anyahyacinth · 14/05/2026 17:22

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 16:13

I think CGT should only be paid on real gains at the point of sale. This is true for anything. I don't think IHT should exist. I think both of these things would encourage investment and be fair.

I would cut public spending before I raised any other taxes.

Which is austerity …and look at what that has done to our economy.

So you are arguing that the better able to pay shouldn’t pay more? So no universal healthcare or education, care for the elderly, special needs children, veterans, state housing?

People unable to afford insulin, chemotherapy? Tent cities. Survival crime. Huge prisons or lawlessness? Gated communities with security staff? Where does it end if greed wins?

AmberTigerEyes · 14/05/2026 17:23

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:19

Your graph shows only 10 years and conveniently cuts out the 2008 crash.

All the rest of your links don't disprove what I'm saying. In fact the first one shows that house price growth has been below inflation in the last twenty years which has been over 80%.

True, but the point is that housing is in a boom and bust cycle.
While a bust may be going on now, it was just after a boom.
2006 was the end of a boom. To measure value now compared to the height of a housing bubble in 2006 right before the market reset to say oh there’s been no gain in real terms is a bit disingenuous.

Anyahyacinth · 14/05/2026 17:24

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:16

No, a pound is worth less in spending power today. That is how inflation works.

You quote a higher figure for today

AmberTigerEyes · 14/05/2026 17:24

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:20

None of this is true. I am just tired of people pretending that homeowners are sat on a load of unearned wealth that is ripe to be taxed. It simply isn't true for people that have bought in the last 20 years.

It will be for those who bought directly after the crash in 2010 and sold in 2021 anywhere in southern England.

You cannot generalise.

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:25

AmberTigerEyes · 14/05/2026 17:24

It will be for those who bought directly after the crash in 2010 and sold in 2021 anywhere in southern England.

You cannot generalise.

Yes in some cases it's true but in general, on average it isn't true

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binliner · 14/05/2026 17:25

None of this is true. I am just tired of people pretending that homeowners are sat on a load of unearned wealth that is ripe to be taxed. It simply isn't true for people that have bought in the last 20 years.

But it is true for some & for many who got on the ladder prior to the last 20 years!

Itchthescratch · 14/05/2026 17:26

binliner · 14/05/2026 17:25

None of this is true. I am just tired of people pretending that homeowners are sat on a load of unearned wealth that is ripe to be taxed. It simply isn't true for people that have bought in the last 20 years.

But it is true for some & for many who got on the ladder prior to the last 20 years!

Yes, which I haven't denied

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