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Skippp · 13/05/2026 06:04

I work in finance and this country is on the brink of collapse. It’s spending too much, it’s not growing the economy and needs someone to come in and make good decisions quickly if we are to survive. It’s in a really serious state now and action must be taken. I’vote Labour, and did so hoping Keir would be brave enough to take the hard decisions needed but he’s been a pathetic wet blanket. We need a government who:

  1. get rid of the triple lock. It’s laughably unaffordable.
  2. reassess the whole benefits system and get rid of disability payments for anything but the most severe conditions, increasing the amounts to those who have these conditions.
  3. restrict benefit payments to those born outwith the UK to those that have been in full time work for a large proportion of their adult lives here.
  4. Reduce the minimum wage to help companies hire again.
  5. Reduce housing benefit. People will have to move to somewhere cheaper or landlords will have to drop prices to what people can afford.
  6. Go to an insurance backed healthcare system like they enjoy in Europe.
  7. Ditch 95% of planning regulation and get Britain building again.
  8. ditch net zero. No one is going to run a successful business in a country with the highest energy costs on the planet.
  9. Reopen Scotland oil and gas production (inc refineries) and explore for more areas.
  10. Simplify income taxes. Roll income tax into NICs. Give everyone child care hours, child benefit, personal allowance and increase tax rates to pay for this. Stop artificially restricting people from earning more.
  11. Simplify VAT. Drop the threshold to £20k to ensure no one has a ceiling on earnings.
  12. Simplify IHT. 5% on everything. No nil rates or exemptions.
  13. rejoin the single market and customs union.
  14. Explain policies better! Tell people how unaffordable the triple lock etc is. Tell them what the single market and customs union non is and why you’re rejoining. Tell people what the ‘bond markets’ are and why they’re important. Tell people why paying for rich people’s child care is much better for the economy than forcing high earners to drop their hours.
  15. Probably ought to start deporting economic migrants with no right to stay quickler to throw some red meat to reform voters.

We need a party to take on ALL of these policies and move AT PACE on them. Who’s the party that will do this? I thought it was Labour but BOY was I wrong on that!

What are people adding to the list?

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Skippp · 13/05/2026 15:17

If you build a high growth environment employers will come. Currently multinational companies are discouraged from investing her due to high energy cost and the effort of trying to build anything here.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngq10grgzo

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Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 15:17

keepswimming38 · 13/05/2026 06:52

Maybe capitalism isn’t the answer then. Let’s get rid of inflated wages in the financial sector and billionaires squirreling their wealth away. Let’s actually get banks to account for the crashes. Let’s redistribute some of that wealth to the poor.

Why are you concerned about high wages in private businesses? (Aside from this money coming from allowing sewage into our waterways as per the water companies of course).

Don't these high wages allow these people to be absolutely rinsed to fund others on benefits? There was a thread a week or two ago where a high earner took home 5k odd of their 20k bonus due to deductions. Where else will this money come from?

Will you be happy if people working in the financial sector have to claim universal credit to pay their rent like half of all families have to.

It really is a race to the bottom.

Signed someone who works in care (not finance!)

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 15:20

reassess the whole benefits system and get rid of disability payments for anything but the most severe conditions, increasing the amounts to those who have these conditions.

OP, in this scenario how do you suggest those who are significantly disabled but not in the most severely disabled category are protected from employer bias leaving them unable to finding employment? Would your imagined political party put measures in place to ensure employers provided the accommodations they needed and did not discriminate, or would this sector of the population simply be left with no means of bringing in any kind of income?

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 15:22

KatiePricesKnickers · 13/05/2026 14:05

From Gemini.
8.4 million UC claimants.
5.2 million UC claimants are not working.
Of the 5.2 million, just over 2 million are classed as ‘Limited Capability for Work and Work-Related Activity’.

Leaving 3 million capable of working, less some circumstances like single parents etc.

But not enough jobs to employ them all.

Skippp · 13/05/2026 15:30

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 15:20

reassess the whole benefits system and get rid of disability payments for anything but the most severe conditions, increasing the amounts to those who have these conditions.

OP, in this scenario how do you suggest those who are significantly disabled but not in the most severely disabled category are protected from employer bias leaving them unable to finding employment? Would your imagined political party put measures in place to ensure employers provided the accommodations they needed and did not discriminate, or would this sector of the population simply be left with no means of bringing in any kind of income?

Yes I think employers should be made to think more about employing disabled people and publish the proportion of disabled staff they employ just as they do the gender pay gap. They should also publish the age range of their staff.

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youalright · 13/05/2026 15:32

KatiePricesKnickers · 13/05/2026 14:05

From Gemini.
8.4 million UC claimants.
5.2 million UC claimants are not working.
Of the 5.2 million, just over 2 million are classed as ‘Limited Capability for Work and Work-Related Activity’.

Leaving 3 million capable of working, less some circumstances like single parents etc.

How many are carers how many are between jobs we need these figures to

youalright · 13/05/2026 15:35

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 15:22

But not enough jobs to employ them all.

There will be even less in 10 years when ai takes over. Half the people on this site hating people on benefits will be begging for them soon enough

Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 15:43

bltwithoutthet · 13/05/2026 07:21

The reason the NHS isn’t working is because of the patients. I work in the NHS.

We give people at least four reminders about surgery and the things they need to do - when we call to book, the letter we send, a text sent to them, and a phone call a few days before. The number of people who still don’t turn up, or turn up and don’t stop medications or have eaten is baffling. It’s probably only 5-10 a week, but over the course of a year that’s 520 people who are wasting theatre slots.

They don’t attend appointments. They turn up to a&e with incredibly minor ailments.

This is like saying the problem with hospitality is the customers- which while true kind of misses the point that you wouldn't have a job without them.

With 5-10% of appointments missed for one reason or another I expect a lot of that is people with cognitive impairment/ intellectual disability/ age related decline and little support, poverty/children and lack of support causing issues getting there or illness on the day. People are gonna people - they are not automatons - although the service might be able to look at how to reduce some of those barriers.

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 15:43

Skippp · 13/05/2026 15:30

Yes I think employers should be made to think more about employing disabled people and publish the proportion of disabled staff they employ just as they do the gender pay gap. They should also publish the age range of their staff.

I agree, those measures would definitely be necessary. But I'm wondering what would happen to those in the 'disabled but not disabled enough' category if they were still unsuccessful in finding work?

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/05/2026 15:47

Totally agree but no political party other than maybe Reform will admit at election time that these things need to happen. Which ultimately is because they know that people won't vote for it. Lying gets you elected, honesty doesn't. The downside is what we are seeing now with the Labour Party. They cannot possibly deal with the economic shit show within the confines of their mandate.

I would add the NHS to your list. It can't keep swallowing more and more money with awful productivity.

Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 16:15

bltwithoutthet · 13/05/2026 07:37

I think we have different experiences because I’m coming at it from the position of working there.

Hospitals need two health professionals on the door. If your issue isn’t serious (I.e., a sprain, an infection with no signs of sepsis, etc), you should be turned away at the door. No coming in, no waiting, you’re turned away and sent to the correct place.

Are your heavies on the door going to have xray vision so they can tell a sprain from a fracture?

Why can't people just be bloody seen. Why can't someone with an infection have 5 minutes with a Doctor and get anti-biotics? Why do they have to wait to be septic? Why does 5 minutes with an A&E doctor cost so much more than 5 minutes with a GP? I suspect it doesn't and the average cost of A&E treatment being high just reflects the more complex and longer cases.

Why is the user experience of no consequence? Why aren't we trying to focus resource around demand rather than trying to change demand?

The NHS seems to have the primary aim of fobbing off and getting rid of people rather than treating them.

PomplaMouse · 13/05/2026 16:27

Mlddleoftheroad · 13/05/2026 11:21

Why should these be mutually exclusive?
As a society we should be working towards both of these goals (along with others) so that we have a society that can thrive.

Dragging it back to victorian style living is only good for the very wealthy.

They should not be mutually exclusive, but they have become increasingly so, and the trend shows no sign of reversing.

How would you solve the problem of "people having fewer children and living longer"?

KatiePricesKnickers · 13/05/2026 16:45

youalright · 13/05/2026 15:32

How many are carers how many are between jobs we need these figures to

Edited

Up to 1.5 million claiming carers allowance.

youalright · 13/05/2026 16:46

KatiePricesKnickers · 13/05/2026 16:45

Up to 1.5 million claiming carers allowance.

So pp needs to take that of her figures to then so its not leaving that many people left is it. Just seen you are pp so what your number at now

Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 17:01

Imdunfer · 13/05/2026 07:49

When did we decide that every job has to pay enough for the person doing the job to live independently of anyone else? That was never the case in the past.

Probably when we started topping up anyone that doesn't earn enough to manage with public funds.

Skippp · 13/05/2026 17:02

But does anyone REALLY believe these stats? 1/3rd will be carers full time and it will be an incredibly tough, underpaid job. They could do with more money. 1/3rd will be carers needs occasionally throughout the day. And 1/3rd will be carers for their ASD child who goes to school all day then after school club (like the ‘carer’ I know) and could easily work around it.

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NutellaPopcorn · 13/05/2026 17:11

Skippp · 13/05/2026 17:02

But does anyone REALLY believe these stats? 1/3rd will be carers full time and it will be an incredibly tough, underpaid job. They could do with more money. 1/3rd will be carers needs occasionally throughout the day. And 1/3rd will be carers for their ASD child who goes to school all day then after school club (like the ‘carer’ I know) and could easily work around it.

Often those parent carers will have been up most of the night with children with additional needs , they may need to rest during the day.

Ilikesundays · 13/05/2026 17:16

Passaggressfedup · 13/05/2026 06:35

I certainly wouldn't vote for your party!

i would , and I think the majority of the electorate would too.

SpideySensesbroken · 13/05/2026 17:17

@Skipppi am a parent to a child with additional needs. I could not do it without my family.
Yes they can go to school, but can they go to afterschool clubs? Can they go to holiday clubs? Are they on a part time table? Plus medical appointments.
School hours jobs already have ten times the interest of other jobs, why would an employer take on someone who could be seen as unreliable or hard work?

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 17:21

Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 17:01

Probably when we started topping up anyone that doesn't earn enough to manage with public funds.

They'd earn enough if so many employers didn't pay such pitiful salaries.

Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 17:21

youalright · 13/05/2026 08:09

Well there are 160 thousand hospital beds in the uk 3 meals a day. These beds are usually all full so im pretty sure it would make money

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Hospital stays are expensive in terms of transport and parking e.g. a partner visiting each day - as well as lost wages. This can put a strain on families. I wouldn't be against the NHS asking for a voluntary contribution after a stay e.g. a feedback form and a link to make a donation or subscribe to a small amount monthly.

My son has treatment at Birmingham Children's Hospital so I signed up for a monthly donation when asked. It's a very small amount but if lots of people did it it would add up - particularly monthly.

SockPlant · 13/05/2026 17:24

Skippp · 13/05/2026 06:04

I work in finance and this country is on the brink of collapse. It’s spending too much, it’s not growing the economy and needs someone to come in and make good decisions quickly if we are to survive. It’s in a really serious state now and action must be taken. I’vote Labour, and did so hoping Keir would be brave enough to take the hard decisions needed but he’s been a pathetic wet blanket. We need a government who:

  1. get rid of the triple lock. It’s laughably unaffordable.
  2. reassess the whole benefits system and get rid of disability payments for anything but the most severe conditions, increasing the amounts to those who have these conditions.
  3. restrict benefit payments to those born outwith the UK to those that have been in full time work for a large proportion of their adult lives here.
  4. Reduce the minimum wage to help companies hire again.
  5. Reduce housing benefit. People will have to move to somewhere cheaper or landlords will have to drop prices to what people can afford.
  6. Go to an insurance backed healthcare system like they enjoy in Europe.
  7. Ditch 95% of planning regulation and get Britain building again.
  8. ditch net zero. No one is going to run a successful business in a country with the highest energy costs on the planet.
  9. Reopen Scotland oil and gas production (inc refineries) and explore for more areas.
  10. Simplify income taxes. Roll income tax into NICs. Give everyone child care hours, child benefit, personal allowance and increase tax rates to pay for this. Stop artificially restricting people from earning more.
  11. Simplify VAT. Drop the threshold to £20k to ensure no one has a ceiling on earnings.
  12. Simplify IHT. 5% on everything. No nil rates or exemptions.
  13. rejoin the single market and customs union.
  14. Explain policies better! Tell people how unaffordable the triple lock etc is. Tell them what the single market and customs union non is and why you’re rejoining. Tell people what the ‘bond markets’ are and why they’re important. Tell people why paying for rich people’s child care is much better for the economy than forcing high earners to drop their hours.
  15. Probably ought to start deporting economic migrants with no right to stay quickler to throw some red meat to reform voters.

We need a party to take on ALL of these policies and move AT PACE on them. Who’s the party that will do this? I thought it was Labour but BOY was I wrong on that!

What are people adding to the list?

Nigel, is that you?

youalright · 13/05/2026 17:33

Winter2020 · 13/05/2026 17:21

Hospital stays are expensive in terms of transport and parking e.g. a partner visiting each day - as well as lost wages. This can put a strain on families. I wouldn't be against the NHS asking for a voluntary contribution after a stay e.g. a feedback form and a link to make a donation or subscribe to a small amount monthly.

My son has treatment at Birmingham Children's Hospital so I signed up for a monthly donation when asked. It's a very small amount but if lots of people did it it would add up - particularly monthly.

See i don't like that patients are at their most vulnerable at this time and not the time for donations

ruethewhirl · 13/05/2026 17:34

Skippp · 13/05/2026 17:02

But does anyone REALLY believe these stats? 1/3rd will be carers full time and it will be an incredibly tough, underpaid job. They could do with more money. 1/3rd will be carers needs occasionally throughout the day. And 1/3rd will be carers for their ASD child who goes to school all day then after school club (like the ‘carer’ I know) and could easily work around it.

How would you suggest carer's allowance be distributed across those categories? I ask because for those who are carers occasionally throughout the day, care needs can be very 'ad hoc' and not compatible with the requirements of most jobs.

My elderly DM with Alzheimer's lives with me and doesn't need constant attention, but can't be left home alone either, and things can crop up unexpectedly at any moment. It's only because my job can be done from home (and, more recently, because I've been fortunate enough to be able to go self-employed for more flexibility) that I'm able to combine working with looking after her. This means I don't need carer's allowance at present, but over time that could change depending on various circumstances including my own health. And if I wasn't able to work from home I would absolutely have needed to claim it before now.

Skippp · 13/05/2026 17:34

SockPlant · 13/05/2026 17:24

Nigel, is that you?

I’m really worried that you think my views are only Reform voter views. I have voted Labour for the past 20 years. I want the things in my OP to happen. If I can only get that by voting Reform then that’s disappointing. I think Keir and Kemi (and Ed Davey but he thinks women can have penises so he’s irrelevant) both want Britain to succeed. I think Zack and Nigel are out for themselves and couldn’t give a damn about Britain.

I want to be able to vote for a mainstream party that represents my views, and I think these views are shared by a hefty proportion of the electorate. Are the main stream parties too craven for votes that they have to leave Britain going to hell in a hand cart?Labour were going to make changes to welfare but the meagre changes their backbenchers allowed them have been dropped from the kings speech. Let’s not leave it up to Nigel to do things like ditch the triple lock. Wouldn’t you respect a politician who levelled with you about the changes needed? Can’t the grown up politicians do the reform? Let’s face it Labour have nothing to lose anymore.

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