Is Starmer going tonight?! (Thread for centre and left of centre folk)

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

Do i need to switch on bbc news??!

do you have a source I can read about this?

I agree. Shameless.

And for all of his faults, he is doing a good job on international politics right now. I’d like him to stay and be the sensible, grown up, we need. God, imagine Wes Streeting or Andy Burnham dealing with Trump. Horrifying.

Is this what you're talking about? From the International Criminal Court:

"the UK has, to date, entirely failed to address the extent to which its forces’ abuse of detainees in Iraq was systemic and that the state failed to investigate or prosecute those most responsible for these crimes. In closing its preliminary examination, the ICC refuses to close the impunity gap, despite finding that war crimes were committed by British soldiers."

https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/war-crimes-by-uk-forces-in-iraq/

Why would he 'hate his country' if he investigates the crimes of his own country, as a lawyer trained to do so. With the aim that this kind of stuff doesn't happen in the name of the UK and its people. I'd assume you'd be impressed by this?

Also Ben Roberts-Smith in Australia, do you think he shouldn't have been investigated in the first place?

I dont like Andy Burnham's commitment to wearing eyeliner

Not sure

if you ask AI, you might get a better scan and also it depends if you have any subscriptions (I don't but some of this was gifted to me. Sorry I can't find that link.) Downing Street have commented on all of it so you will find it online

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/04/24/hermer-hailed-starmers-groundbreaking-work-suing-soldiers/

The destruction of court records became an urgent question in parliament and luckily it was stopped

https://x.com/i/trending/2024072692241236042

Add this in to his general attitude towards the British public as a whole - I guess we're all far right now - and then I suppose it depends whether you consider him responsible for his ministers. The overall vibe is they have no concerns about antisemitism, no intention to treat women and girls fairly - still waiting for the Supreme Court judgement to be honoured - they were very reluctant to sort out the grooming gang inquiry and that remains unsorted, haven't done anything about Thames water which a lot of people thought would be their first task when getting into power, Starmer was so excited about the release of Abdul El Fatth (sp) that he posted on X about it on Boxing Day... I mean what is there to like about the man?

Who does he actually care about?

And that thing with lifting children out of poverty, was it absolute poverty or relative poverty? Because if it's relative poverty, by default, those falling into the percentage poverty as defined by that term, are still there.

oh, and his face during the inquiry about the farmers inheritance tax with the suicide - he doesn't give a shit. I realised to some extent your prime minister has to be someone who can put their humanity aside to make decisions - but it seems like he's got a whole group of people that he would like to target?

I don't get anything positive out of this government.

I'm absolutely not someone who will come along and say everything is terrible, because that's too depressing - and I thought he was a calm and sensible person when he came to power

How wrong I was. I think that's partly why there is an undercurrent of anger. People who voted for him and for Labour must be feeling incredibly disappointed. Obviously not people on this thread.

But I'm a little bit unsure about how much attention people have been paying to his actions - especially with the joke media we have now.

@greenapplez I will read that tomorrow

I am very aware that there's another side of this argument. It all adds up to a picture that Starmer just wants to undermine the country though. You do realise some of the soldiers were found to be innocent of all charges? So him volunteering to give his time for free, does that not raise any questions with you? Wouldn't he have been better off staying out of UK politics? He may be very suited to an international role.

Adding the destruction of court records, the desire to end jury trials - again I realise other countries don't have jury trials - to me it doesn't look good.

@greenapplez also, Starmer initially tried to pretend that he had no connection with Phil Shiner who was ultimately struck off for bringing false cases against UK veterans

If Starmer had actually stood up and publicly addressed this, if we had a chance to actually hear an explanation, then things might be different. But initially lying about it and then trying to brush it off - that doesn't sit well with me.

He won't go tonight, but when your Home Secretary fucks you over publicly then it's a case of when and not if.

I despair of UK politics at the moment. I genuinely can't remember a worse time. At a time when we need stability and a strong relationship with Europe more than at any other, the UK gets busy rearranging the fucking deck chairs for the sake of a popularity contest and someone's vanity project.

The Labour Party is shooting itself in the foot repeatedly. Not for the first time, a political party shows that it will always be party (and egos) before country. And as a country we have got to stop swapping PMs in and out more times than a duck's arse. It is beyond ridiculous.

The geopolitics is unlikely to change any time soon with the orange marauder in the White House so in terms of the cost of living it won’t matter who’s in charge.
What I can’t forgive is the fact that they had the chance to be bold (albeit a small one) and they chose constant appeasement instead. Let’s not completely lose our memories though … the shithouses who ran this country into the iceberg are currently laughing at us all in their new Reform livery. A bigger bunch of racists, liars, misogynists and domestic abusers you couldn’t wish to find. I hope to god we never find out what depths they are capable of dragging us into.
This looks like the end of Starmer. I think Burnham offers the best chance for the country. Sweeting is a disaster waiting to happen.

Sweeting is a Starmer protégé, so hopefully not him.

I hope he stays. No one else in labour will do any better. The country seems to want farage and I despair.

It's frankly embarrasing as nation that we keep removing leader's before they've completed a full term. It makes us look like a shaky, ramshackle little island. Starmer waan't even my first choice during the Labour leadership content, and many things in this government have blown my mind (making your first action as new gov to remove winter fuel allowance for many? Madness) but we have periodic elections! When we did decide the leadership of a nation is something we can change like underwear?

This is not the time to change leaders especially for personal ambition. Burnham is not an MP, Raynor has a target in her back because of her tax affairs, Streeting hasn’t got the party behind him. Lurching from crisis to crisis is not great but labour need to stop in fighting and work together.