Is Starmer going tonight?! (Thread for centre and left of centre folk)

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

Do i need to switch on bbc news??!

Which one?! I could only find right wing threads!

Can I ask them, and I’m genuinely not trying to be antagonistic, but why would you hope he’s going if you think the alternatives would be worse?

I just don’t get the mindset when there’s no one in line to replace him. Honestly not picking holes in your comment, I actually don’t think he’s doing a terrible job and would like him to stick it out because more instability just feeds the circus.

As a pp said, journalists don’t give a shit about any of it, they just want to generate clicks hence every 15 seconds a new ‘dramatic and utterly shocking’ headline comes out.

PM Ange?

The papers didn't generate the mandleson scandal and all the rest !

God. I'm even watching newsnight

Got to offer myself support at this time 💐💐😫

Sorry but the tories did so much worse when they were in office 😫😄

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Seems there are normal folk out there! From a fellow lone mum of one.

Because this has to happen to get rid of Labour earlier than 2029. Once he goes, the next one comes and goes fast too.

This Labour government is so bad that they make the last lot of Tory shower look like statesmen and women.

Oh yes i saw this one and lost it, thank you!

🥰🥰 love to meet a fellow traveller

Followed by an IMF bailout. This country’s toast.

IMF will never bail us out now. We’ve got too much debt. We’d be toast.

And that’s why Tories and Labour should be consigned to history books. They have finished this country off.

I'm really sad. For the first time in ages we've got a calm intelligent prime minister, who, as far as I can see has just been getting on with it quietly. He's boring, and I'd much prefer that in my prime minister, than the incompetent buffoons who have dominated British politics for the last few years.

His mistakes have been blown out of all proportion, with little reporting on things that have gone well.

He should have the support of his party, rather than them circling like vultures.

Meanwhile, in Reform:

• one new councillor has resigned for saying that white people were the master race and had bigger brains.
• another is being investigated over comments about melting down Nigerians to fill potholes. He also complained during a rugby match about a female commentator saying "Wish they wud stick to cooking, sewing and homemaking".

It feels like a manufactured sabotage and I'm really sad.

I'd totally forgive him being boring - would welcome it in fact - if he would only a) start making some policies that actually improved the economy (instead of exacerbating its problems); and b) give Phillipson the kick up the arse she so richly deserves to finally get on and make sure the Supreme Court decision is acted upon.

You also said centre, which traditionally meant right of Lab, left of Con. Who knows these days-everyone tends to see themselves as centrist.
And no, to answer your question.

KS goes and Yvette calmly takes charge temporarily whilst the rest of them have some kind of last man standing match.

@Babyboomtastic I agree that he is calm and he is certainly intelligent

However, the fact that he hates this country so much is hugely problematic to me

There have been other threads where people explained rationally what he's done that's pissed them off so much, myself included, but I've noticed no one ever wants to engage with the rational comments

Also, there was never really an explanation for why he wanted to go after British soldiers in court, never an explanation for the suggested destroying court records - that started with records relating to the grooming gangs but it did expand further than that (I think finally he's not getting away with that) and just generally nobody on here ever addresses the actual problems we have with him

I didn't vote for him, but I wasn't horrified that that they got in. I am horrified by what happened since he got in. But like I said, no one ever wants to address it....

it's possible that the next leader will be exactly the same I guess. But the reason I mentioned those two things is because I suspect they are very specific to Starmer. Certainly the stuff about the army is.

I really bloody hope not. Why the fuck are they playing into reform’s hands?!

Last paragraph here is laughable for any of us who remember the pandemic, but this gives the game away

Because this has to happen to get rid of Labour earlier than 2029. Once he goes, the next one comes and goes fast too

This is all being pushed to start the churn of replacing the PM. Once you've started it's a slippery slope. Labour are being fools. Let Starmer actually get on with the job, don't get sucked into the drama as orchestrated by the BBC-Express-GBNews network.

I agree. But on that second point, we have to be realistic here. Things will be a lot worse for women if we end up with Lammy as PM, and several other frontrunners. It doesn't bear thinking about if we end up with a reform government. Yes they know what a woman is, but they just use that knowledge to subjugate us further. So right now, I'd prefer to stick with Starmer.

I really hope he hangs on in there. I don't love him but he's doing an ok job. I cannot understand the hate for him. Regardless, it would be very dangerous for him to go now. We need stability, not a return to a revolving door at number 10.

Do any of the people who like him want to address the points about the court records and the cases brought against army personnel?

I really hoped labour would stick together as more instability would be a disaster.

if he doesn't go now, labour are out at the next election and possibly beyond.

Totally agree. While he's been shit when it comes to women's rights (and I suspect he's a misogynist), his caution about saying the wrong thing, and fence-sitting, do protect against more egregious harms. The next person could be far worse - Lammy, Rayner and Burnham have all drunk the Kool Aid.