Almost 80 MPs have called for Starmer to Resign. Streeting making his move before Burnham has a chance to get in. Leadership election between Starmer, Streeting & Rayner, & a few MPs looking to make a name. Official Tue 12th?

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Link to spreadsheet of Labour MPS calling for resignation - https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

Streeting has to make his move now, Starmer will never be this weak and he has the chance to go now.

Burnham might be more likely to win, but he is not in, and where exactly is a safe seat by election they could parachute him in for? (nowhere)

So - Streeting will never have a better chance of being PM, he pulls the trigger NOW or he never pulls it at all.

I did say on Thursday that I thought it would be Friday or Monday.... Tuesday is a pretty good guess.

This is a quiet Bat People moment... That Speech... not worth remembering...

That could only happen if there was a General Election though. And there isn't one scheduled until 2029.

They're too far down the rabbit hole to be worried by the simple matter of reality.

@Proudcat I don't think the. OP understands how elections work...

Labour knew they were going to get their arses kicked. They may not have anticipated it being quite so catastrophic but they knew it would be bad.

They are also well aware that the same could happen in a general election if one was held any time soon.

Parties call a GE when they think they’ll win - esp when they have a slim majority and want to strengthen their hand.

I think even the most ardent Labour supporter would accept it would be suicidal for the Labour Party to call a GE any time soon, Abd they have a healthy majority.

OP and her pals can insist all they want but there’s zero chance Farage is going to be PM in the next few years.

I’m not Starmer’s biggest fan but I do think he’s a decent and principled man. The left of the party have always been gunning for him so this is the prime opportunity for them.

Swapping leaders will make precisely fuck all difference to the electorate. This is what clearing up the Tory mess looks like, combined with the global effects of Trump’s idiocy. It was always going to be a poison chalice for Labour.

It blows my mind that people believe soundbites that have no substance - it’s as if nothing was learned from the Brexit fiasco.

Oh, and just on the subject of Labour trying to cut disability benefits - their suggestion was thoroughly unworkable.

For anyone who doesn’t know, to qualify under their proposal, you’d only get disability benefits if you scored the maximum under at least one section. It would have excluded thousands of people with really severe disabilities - even people like my DM who has cerebral palsy and dementia.

Personally, I prefer a government who can hold their hands up and admit they fucked up rather than ploughing on regardless.

Disability benefits are still being reviewed and we’re waiting to hear the new proposals, due later this year. Trouble is, people just see the headlines and never hear about the true substance of what’s going on because the press always spin it to suit their agenda. I think that’s half the reason for the clamour right now - people are struggling financially and somehow they’ve been convinced it’s all Keir’s fault, and that good old Nige could save them. Madness.

Not a chance. She will be gone the second Starmer goes. Most of the mess they are in is really about the economy. It is going to be a problem for any leader. Tricky to please the electorate when there isn't any money.

I think its you who is disappointed.

Look how Starmer has squandered the huge majority you and yours asserted was unassailable.

He is directly responsible for Reform’s rise.

Pro-welfare, high tax and dismissive of concerns about immigration.
Throw in the incompetence, u-turns, and policy failures. People are sick of it.

Labour brought this upon themselves.

No way. It is not about who we would back. The Labour machine, PLP, NEC, Unions, members decide, not us.

And don’t forget her links to Birmingham.

Exactly this. I don’t get the whole Streeting thing. He is Starmer Pt 2. What credentials does he actually have other than his ego?

The GE part aside the last part of this is some of why Starmer is facing loss of leadership, the shift to blaming everyone else.

He may not even win his seat at another election, as I recall he only has a majority of about 500.

One of Sir Keir Starmer’s remaining loyalists has claimed a general election “will be needed” if Labour MPs oust the Prime Minister.

Alison Taylor, the Labour MP for Paisley and Renfrewshire North, claimed Sir Keir had a personal mandate following his landslide general election victory in 2024.

She said on X: “A general election will be needed, if we carry on any further with this. Mark my words, it will be a general election next. The public elected Keir Starmer.”

The level of political literacy on display here is very saddening.

The issue Starmer is facing starts with him blocking Burnham from standing as an MP. He did this to avoid a challenge, or maybe (given that Starmer is a well-practised lawyer and strategist) to hold off a challenge. Now isn't the right time for Burnham. The leader that takes the party into the next GE needs to not be covered in the shit from this administration. Bonus points if they're a northerner. Burnham ticks these boxes.

What's likely to happen next is either Starmer hangs on or an interim leader is elected. There's a chance someone like Cooper would go for this and step aside once Burnham has his MP status (must be an MP to be leader of the party in power). There's no chance of another Corbyn type event because there's no effective organisation like Momentum any more.

Essentially, for the moment, it looks as if Burnham is being protected so he doesn't have to face 3 years of media savaging and Farage fan club goading. Unfortunately, Rayner demonstrated what that looks like but she'll be rehabilitated soon.

Crucially, Burnham has the support of the trade unions and Starmer has recently reversed some of the anti union legislation - most probably to ensure that if Reform did get in the country would fall into chaos for the first couple years.

What's this labour left dream ticket of Burnham and Rayner they keep going on about, is that him PM and her Chancellor, they can't both be PM

Why would Labour hold an early General Election?

@ProudCat ”Now isn't the right time for Burnham. The leader that takes the party into the next GE needs to not be covered in the shit from this administration.”

Absolutely agree with this, but can the party limp on to give itself enough space to get to a GE not covered in this administrations shit?

I suppose Cooper could just tone things down a bit.

Dumb and Dumber as PM and Chancellor. Imagine that. Rayner as Chancellor.

No! It is beyond the imagination, but does fit into the realm of nightmares

Don’t know we can be sure about that at all.

The FTSE is not a proxy for the markets. That is an index of the 100 biggest international companies currently listed on the London Stock Exchange. You will find most of those companies generate a majority of their revenues and profits internationally and do not solely reflect the UK economy. The “markets” you hear about is the gilt market - the cost of govt borrowing. The UK has decoupled from other major economies and we pay a premium to borrow reflecting the relatively poorer state of our economy, with no growth, rising unemployment and youth unemployment, increasing borrowing and an increasing tax burden. The welfare state is growing. Rising cost of govt borrowing is bad because we have to service our debt and thats costing us more than £100 billion per year and it will impact mortgage rates, so the millions coming off fixed mortgages this year will only be able to refinance at rates significantly higher. Labour have screwed the economy. And the impact of the Iran war has not kicked in yet - energy costs, will impact transport costs pushing up prices and inflation, farmers are speaking out that the cost of fertiliser means they do not have a business case for planting crops this autumn as the grain prices have not increased (when Ukraine was invaded, being the bread basket of Europe meant grain prices rose as it hit supply - the Middle East produces no grain). We face a torrid time in a few months. But I agree with you there won’t be a general election. There may be a change of leader for Labour and they will be tempted to tack left to see off the Greens, but that’s where the “markets” will come into play as increased borrowing or unfunded commitments will put up gilt yields and our cost of borrowing. So the government will look to raise taxes again….. and so it goes on.

Thanks.

Many posters simply don’t understand.

@Bigfatsquirrelis correct, you’re mixing up what to look at when talking about the markets. Your first line is a bit much with that in mind.

Can someone explain in simple words what this dream ticket is of Burnham and Rayner, hopefully my guess upthread isn't the correct one

It’s a good question and one that probably wouldn’t survive contact with the markets, unless they can communicate a big switch to AR type policies. Which I can’t see happening.

What's embarrassing is that in a party with a majority as large as Labour have, they have very few potential candidates to replace Starmer. It doesn't say much for the quality of their MPs!