To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.

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Russia have a mad despot who is responsible for the deaths of Russians and Ukrainians and has caused untold damage on the world’s environment and economy. But he’s still in power.

The USA have a mad despot who’s causing deaths worldwide and has started a war he can’t win causing untold damage to the world’s economy and environment. But he’s still in power.

Israel have a mad despot who is committing genocide and putting Jewish people at risk across the world. But he’s still in power.

In the UK, we have a dull bloke who’s doing his best to stand up to the mad despots while not leading us into war. And we’re all trying to get rid of him.

And Mandelson is a side-show. Nobody gives a toss in the real world. They just want potholes fixed and to get a GP appointment when they need one.

I can’t stop laughing at your blind confidence about someone you don’t know. Not being on X, watching GB News, using YouTube as my main news info or reading the Mail doesn’t leave me in an echo chamber. You have no clue what other media I consume, so your accusations mean nothing - not that you’ll doubt yourself for a second, I’m sure, you clearly know everything about everyone.

Poached this from another thread:

Here are some things the Labour government have done:

• Delivered the expanded free childcare entitlement begun under previous government: 15 funded hours for eligible working parents from 9 months old, rollout toward 30 funded hours for eligible working families
• Early rollout of free breakfast club programmes in primary schools
• Strengthened protections for pregnant women and new mothers through employment legislation
• Day-one right to request flexible working strengthened in practice and guidance
• New employment rights legislation introduced, including:
• stronger protections against unfair dismissal practices,
• tighter rules on exploitative zero-hours arrangements,
• stronger sick pay protections,
• measures against “fire and rehire”
• Expanded or strengthened carers’ rights and bereavement leave provisions within employment reforms
• Launch of school-based nursery expansion programmes using spare primary school capacity

These are the things planned or underway

• Expansion to around 3,000 school-based nurseries
• Universal free breakfast clubs across all primary schools in England
• Making flexible working the default where practical, with employers needing stronger justification to refuse
• Day-one rights to:
• paternity leave
• unpaid parental leave
• Wider overhaul/review of parental leave and pay systems, including:
• maternity leave
• paternity leave
• shared parental leave
• statutory pay levels
• Further strengthening of protections for carers
• More secure and predictable working-hours

What is not needed is a derail into a leadership but fight.

DrBlackbird+ So why do they want Starmer to resign in view of all these wonderful deeds?

Either: ego or self protection or thick as mince. Pick one. Likely the first two.

The vote shifted from Labour to Reform… It wasn’t Greens picking up all those votes. Moving further left will not save them.

Hopefully the backbenchers saying nows not the time will win out.

Could it be that he’s calmly and quietly restoring all our EU privileges and the right wing movers and shakers need him assassinated? Or, is it that Putin’s got people in his payroll to destabilise UK in any way he can? Sounds outrageous but without that, what have we got? Starmer’s very dull and Mandelson in his undies? Doesn’t seem enough to bring a government down somehow. I mean, I’d like to believe that the public care deeply about Epstein’s scandal but apart from being a bit titillated by it, I don’t think they do.

IMO the media is mainly very right-wing biased and regardless of what a Labour leader did, they wouldn't be able to win.

As a result, the media want to whip the populace up to demanding a new leader, to drag Labour down to the ridiculous levels the Tories were at during their recent term.

I think Starmer, and those of use who hated the Tory chaos, need to ignore the media and the bots that try to further that chaos. We need stability. And regardless of how you feel about the bloke, he's definitely stable.

Well I care about Mandelson etc AND GP waiting lists , crime etc. But Im realistic and understand no Government can do it all at once and everything needs paying for.

However, I need a good understanding of how and when . That’s what is lacking here with the current Labour government.And yes, selfishly, I do want to feel a bit better off too.Or at least not continually worse off.

Yes and these things take TIME! You don’t just walk into a failing business / school and turn it around overnight. You need a couple of years to start seeing green shoots (the evidence is there if only the media would shine a light on it / No. 10 comms was Alistair Campbell) and about 4-5 years to solidify your progress and have begun making a meaningful difference people actually notice. So let’s give him the term. If, 6 months prior to the GE they want to change leader then fine. But now is not the time.

Lets not forget, if he goes now then Reform and Conservatives will say the new leader has no mandate and call for a GE, and then we will get Nigel Farage. Labour / anyone on the centre or centre left needs to think ahead instead of being so reactionary.

Yes, absolutely this. Even if you accept Starmer should go (and I don’t) the time for it is say 6-9 months before the election as then there’s more likely to be a honeymoon bounce. That is needed to give a chance of a second term which is necessary as the improvements already being implemented take time.

I just consulted AI which suggested any new leader should be in place in advance of the party conference season (typically September/October) before the prospective election year. Makes sense.

I think if they are there too soon, there’s time for the fickle public to get disaffected again.

I’m genuinely worried labour will lead us into a full blown financial crisis. Bond yields are now at a ten years high.

Do you have a source for those quite bold claims?

This is what the Liberal party in Canada did when Mark Carney was made leader, then elected PM.

I debunked the first one in a post at 8.53 today. Misleading doesn’t begin to describe it.

yes it’s always some sort of conspiracy rather people being able to accurately diagnose labour as a bit shit.

I like Darren Jones , but he seems loyal to the PM whenever he is interviewed. He seems competent and a good speaker. I don’t know that much about him though.

In a nutshell! you’re so right. I’m not some Labour/starmer fan girl but I can’t explain the vitriolic response to them. And to anyone even a bit left.

He was the one in Question time who said the majority of people coming across the channel in small boats were mainly women and children. The audience soon showed their derision by laughing!

FFS, it isn't NORMAL to replace a leader every two minutes. it wasn't normal when the Tories did it and it isn't normal now.

And if you don't think the media wield HUGE power over politics and are right leaning, you know nothing about politics. It's a very basic understanding. The pro-Truss / anti-Sunak racism. The vitriol thrown at Corbyn. It's all there in front of your eyes. They have more power than they should over our political system.

Because it wouldn’t matter what he did, there are factions within the party who have been waiting for the opportunity to oust him. It also wouldn’t matter what he did, the media onslaught, highlighting every misdemeanour and never talking about his achievements has him in a position where he can only fail now. It was all designed to create instability so the right wing press could point and say “ooh, look, they shouted about the Tory leader revolving door, look at them now”

All the while, glossing over Farage and his Thai billionaire funded party. Wonder why that is?

Ah phew. 72% of us can continue being quietly relieved and hoping World Politics calm down soon. The other 28% of you can continue foaming at the mouth / painting roundabouts/ whatever the Greens do (angry macrame?)

I’m just so glad there are others out there like me!

Plods off to make a cuppa

Most problems related to immigration were caused by the conservative government. Did you not hear about the post Brexit surge in immigration known as the Boris wave? Labour on the other hand have had some success in reducing it.

They reduced net immigration - by driving all the successful people out of the country

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