Does labour want to make itself unelectable ?

[glasslightly]

The country has ‘spoken’, even if you consider it a protest vote for Reform. It’s clear that hard left politics are not popular. Fair enough if that’s your committed political philosophy but if you’re a member of the Labour Party and your job/ any shred of political influence you want rest on any form of political clout, surely you don’t aim for a new hard left leadership ?

Ooh look! It’s another non serious thread where the op makes ludicrous claims and then fucks off. 🙄

Gosh, the political threads on here degenerate very quickly.

What a sorry picture you paint.

To take just your first point; you want all these people languishing on benefits, rather than having a society with a variety and abundance of jobs for all ages, experience and ability?

Invest in employers. They are not ‘ the rich’. They are the key to unlocking the doom spiral.

The renters reform bill was fairly left wing (and a good thing imo). Same with lifting the 2 child cap.

No, I don't want people languishing on benefits. I want to see all those capable of work in decently paid jobs that dont require benefits to top up to a level people can live on, with robust legislation that prevents them being discriminated against and exploited.
I'd like to see jobs adjusted so ill and disabled people who feel they can work are enabled to.
I'd like to see all those who have or chose to rent have the opportunity of social housing, and where private renting is necessary, strict requirements for landlords, and rent caps so the tax payer doesn't have to subsidise rents.
Because you can spout any unevidenced nonsense you like about what WC people want. Common sense tells you the absolute basics are enough money to live on, a secure roof over their head, and fair treatment in return for their labour.
At the moment many don't have these things. Rents are too high, wages too low.
So either employers and landlords take the necessary hits to square the circle, or the tax payer needs to keep digging deep to fill the gap between what people can afford and the profit other people want to make from them.

It’s done op. They are already unelectable, they can’t come back from this. They will limp on till the next election, I would predict two more leaders in that time. Then it will be reform and Tory as the two parties.

there are some real hard core Labour supporters on here, where no matter how bad it gets, someone up thread even tried to claim they’ve only been in power for a year, it’s two years in July.

This is bollocks

It’s not. I understand though if you’re a hard core supporter why it is annoying to hear, but you’d have to be deaf dumb and blind, whilst living under a rock to not know.

Idk about the op coming back but Labour are making themselves more unelectable, as seen by the results last week.

It is. It’s exactly what reform wants you to think though so that people don’t vote for them