Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

This is a good point and it gives me hope. Thank you.

I’m centre right, I LOATHE Reform but all the flapping left wingers this morning have nobody to blame but themselves.

Just think, if immigration had been properly and vigorously tackled 15 years ago, would we be here today? Of course not. But they shouted down anyone who mentioned it, and called them racist, so they’re reaping what they sowed

That’s a very long way of saying you can’t provide even one single rational and fact-based reason then, as I thought.

By the way the percentage of people with mental health conditions in employment has continually risen and continues to rise. Pesky old facts and data!

I also find the ‘protest vote’ really patronising, who are you to say what their intentions are?

Again, we don’t KNOW the local representatives. How do I know how well they’ll organise my bin collection? (Actually, my vote yesterday was for County Council seats, so bin collections don’t come into it - it’s more about potholes and Education provision)
All we know is what they stand for, due to their affiliation to a political party. So people vote based on that.
You’re an adult too. Why is this so difficult to understand? People don’t think they’ll stop immigration; they think they’ll follow a ‘style’ of council leadership, extrapolated from their views on national matters.

Sounds a lot like you are talking about Starmer and his band of norighters.

Without immigration the UK economy would have collapsed long ago.

I was quite surprised to see this too considering all I’ve seen in the media lately is that it’s a race between Reform and Greens.

How can you possibly ever cast a vote for anybody then if you need to know them personally in order to do so? Effectively you’re saying that you don’t think democracy should exist at all if that is your view. What alternative do you propose instead?

I rather think we're nearing democracy's end game -- you know, the bit where the electorate discover that they can vote themselves more and more from the national income.... until the house of cards collapses.

Voters can reach this pitiable state from both ends of the political spectrum.

Labour still don’t get it. Warbling on about reflecting on the results and not getting the messages across.

The approach has been crap Labour.

From the clothes, concerts, Mandelson. Sentencing and prisons. People being let out early. Angela Rayner not paying her taxes. Giving NHS doctors a massive pay rise but not with tied in agreements on performance. And as for Immigration. Carrying on in the same way hoping nobody will notice. Hopeless.

I don't need to travel more to know exactly what Reform is and what it stands for.

OMG. That isn't the sort of immigration people object to, and you know it.
Wilfully misunderstanding, bashing, dismissing; none of these things are helpful. We need more understanding (even if we completely disagree with it!) if we are ever to make any progress.

I think it's relatively simple. The largest. voting demographic in the UK is the over 65s, closely followed by the 50-65 bracket.

Reform is promising to enhance the triple lock by cutting working age benefits, abolish inheritance tax and 'reform' social care for the elderly. Yeah, people are voting in their own interests.

However, what Reform doesn't do is explain how it's going to manage the massive chunk of the public sector (NHS and care homes) at the same time as cutting immigration.

Although none of this really matters because at local council level they can't do a damn thing.

You might want to tell reform that

Because they sent various people to the BBC last night who all said that they don’t have fully formed policies on everything else and people were voting for them because of their immigration policies.

Is anyone surprised really? Of course Labour would be taking a battering, i expected worse, a total wipeout - most of the country hate them and KS. And this whole 'green surge' - no one took that seriously, its just bullshit chat. Not surprised with the other results. But you know, as someone said when they came into power - give them a chance, they are different, they are good.... OK then 😂

Awful.

And yes, they will indeed follow a “style of leadership extrapolated from their view on national matters”, i.e. the economically illiterate and detached from reality views argued over by a bunch of incompetent people with sub-standard intelligence and very dubious morals (even at MP levels I struggle to name one who isn’t involved in fraud, domestic violence, racist abuse at a level of police investigation, etc… never mind the even more poorly vetted reprobates they’ve recruited as local council candidates).

Enjoy!

It will be amusing to watch over the next few months as reality dawns on people.

Speak for yourself. I do know my local representatives. Our local councillors at parish and at borough level are well known - they are at every village fete, every school performance, every sports award day. In many cases they are people we have known since childhood.

i have give a rational reason as to why Reform appeals to many voters. You think you know better. Clearly one of the arrogant Labour voters I was referring to.

Not interested in your ‘data’. We all know there has been an explosion in working age people claiming benefits due to ‘anxiety’ etc. Sickness benefits should be for those with a really serious illness or disability that prevents them from working, not for the workshy who feel a bit ‘anxious’ at the thought of it.

Do you think it's that? I come into the older age bracket and think Reform are the absolute pits. Maybe I'm a minority?

No it wouldn’t. Thats a lie that’s often trotted out by people who don’t understand how supply and demand works.

Without immigration, businesses would have been forced to pay very high wages, which would have forced then to invest in automation. Raising UK productivity. Win/win.

A cloud cuckoo land manifesto was Labour saying they weren't going to raise taxes.... then raising taxes.

Gullible was believing Labour would help hardworking people when all they are doing is taking from businesses and working people to pay more and higher levels of benefits.

Nonsense was Labour claiming they will achieve growth then taxing businesses more and more. Higher unemployment/lower productivity/ disincentives to be productive- incrntives to work less and get the perks or benefit top ups. If you work hard to earn good money you'll get fuck all so sit back and enjoy.

Reform +397
Labour -259

Look at this correlation.

The three parties with the biggest gains, the Liberals, the conservatives and Reform are ALL advocating lower welfare and lower government expenditure and the hard left, labour and the greens who want to continue the greatest transfer of wealth from the haves to the have nots, are not really doing very well at all.