Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

I live in Brighton. I always have lived in Brighton. I have put up with a Green council for a very long time although recently they lost control

they nearly destroyed the town, made so many unpopular decisions even in Brighton and very few people have a good thing to say about them, and yet loads of Green counsellor will be voted in today

Green counsellors do not have a good track record not at all and yet they still get voted for people vote with their gut

How would you “see” the multiple people who “liked” the comment and found it amusing, unless you’re in the habit of hacking other users’ accounts? Only the poster themselves sees the reactions.

Honestly, get a life. Disturbing that people are this riled up about a six year old drawing a picture and writing a note to tell someone they don’t like racism and don’t want it sent to their house again.

Same.

Hate to break it to you mate. I live in a labour stronghold and my ct goes up 5% every year like clockwork

For precisely fuck all

Greens dont actually look to be doing too well

Thankfully

And summed up here is exactly the sort of attitude that gets reform elected. You think you’re better you think you know better, you think the people voting for reform are stupid and uninformed and they couldn’t possibly be making this decision themselves. They must be misled or idiotic or whatever.

It’s never actually occurred to you that maybe the people voting for reform have looked at their policies and actually do want what they are promising to do because that doesn’t compute with your world view where your superior and ever so clever and always do the right thing and you’re not one of those stinky poor people who likes their country and wants the government to just work

exactly the same attitude as Brexit….

Anybody who doesn’t obviously isn’t capable of casting a meaningful vote at all so is being irresponsible if they do vote without bothering to inform themselves of this most basic aspect of how our political system functions.

“We knew what we were voting for” we were told over and over again.

But now allegedly people don’t?

Which one is it?

Well, quite.

If you want a prime example of how awful the Green council was whilst the greens were in Power Brighton had the worst recycling system in the country. They wouldn’t take most things they didn’t turn up 20% of the time it was just awful. It’s still awful now.

If a Green council can’t sort out the recycling system, what the hell use is it?

Very pleased to hear that the reform surge here bas been modest as has green.
lib dems doing well

Well, objectively, they are pretty stupid aren’t they, if they’re voting for this again after what happened in 2016 and all of the very detailed economic analyses showing what a total disaster that was for UK tax revenue and trade and living standards and services, and having seen the performance of other councils or which Reform has control… all publicly available data. Anybody voting for them without bothering to look at this data first is pretty stupid by definition. And anybody voting for them having looked at this data is pretty stupid. So, errrr….. what are we meant to conclude?

Absolutely, maybe we could have some sort of intelligence test where only the clever people get to cast a vote or maybe it could just be from particular postcodes or if they’ve got a certain number of GCSEs?

maybe we could base it on what sort of clothes they wear? If they have ever shopped in JD sports they can never vote but if they get their food delivered from Waitrose they get two?

This isn’t hard to understand - people want change. They want change so much that they will take a chance on any alternative, to what the main parties force upon them.

As somebody pointed out earlier it wouldn’t have been hard for Labour to avoid this - all they had to do was listen to and act upon people’s concerns (as the left did in Denmark). They refused to.

How many times does the electorate have to send the same message? The stupidity lies not with Reform voters who have seen the main parties dish up time and time again the same unwanted polices or Reform itself. Rather it’s the hubris of the establishment who believe they can constantly ride roughshod over people’s clearly articulated policy concerns but are then surprised when they are punished in this way.

Again proof, if you are using the phrase objectively stupid then you are the problem not them.

Or maybe people who make facile and stupid comments like this shouldn’t get to vote.

You should see the multiple people who have “liked” my responses to you too! Again you brought up the topic of your 6 year old on this thread and you don’t like the responses you got! Now let it go because you’re making a fool of yourself and people have now started to ignore you and keep the thread on topic. I’m also going to ignore any further responses from you because you’re just being extremely goady at this point and trying to keep an argument going while derailing the thread. It’s pathetic!

Perhaps you’d like to ban people who own White transit vans from voting?

I guess the doorstepping effort depends on where you live. We're in a Labour-held London borough and didn't have a single Tory or Reform candidate knock, but the Greens were round every other day and now they're projected to take control.

Are you trying to claim intelligence can’t be measured?

What’s more intelligent, an amoeba or a human?

A woodlouse or a human?

Nigel Farage or a human? 😆

Of course it has nuances in terms of different skills but it is objectively stupid to claim that there is no objective way to measure relative intelligence.

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter" - Churchill.

Oh yes, I totally agree. I really want to get rid of the equalities act and I'd like my daughter to pay extra tax if she doesn't have kids. I also really want working from home to be banned. Plus, if we could just not tax billionaires or corporations but instead spend money on avoiding taking in refugees I'd be absolutely buzzing.
And it will totally serve labour and the conservatives right of course

I have not heard this before, but very true!

I think your more pressing anger should be how has the government allowed 2016 to happen again

The majority are disenfranchised with exactly the same issues

But no one wanted to hear it

10 years later here we are

Why, do you have a problem with vans or the colour white or both? What about people with white cars, or different coloured vans? Do camper vans count? You seem to have some wild ideas.

Wait until the London results are called. They're projected to take lots of councils from Labour.

I did vote Green – because Labour have been running our council badly for years – but I am very nervous because of what's happened in Bristol and Brighton. But I couldn't consciously vote for Labour because of its track record where we live. They've done bugger all.

There is no objective way to measure intelligence. IQ tests have quite significant cultural aspects to them.

Regardless the idea that there should be an intelligence test to cast the vote is a very very slippery slope which anybody with the slightest grasp on history would understand.

You have a snobbish elite attitude to politics