Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

I’m wondering how it was racist. Not many political parties would post racist material, that would be illegal.

I’ve been following the local elections in my hometown closely and speaking with family/friends there - it’s likely to see huge Reform gains from Labour - and the abuse, harassment, threats and intimidation from not all, but well more than a few Reform campaigners - including council candidates - is disgusting, These really are some of the worst people who would have been voting BNP before. They certainly have an issue with women too, it seems. They don’t seem to have any clue about what they’ll they do if elected. I find it unbelievably sad that this is where we are.

And while I can see how we got here, and understand that people have a right to vote whichever they want, I’m also fed up of just blaming Starmer or Labour - it’s much more than one man, as these things always are.

Surely the Tories will be disappointed in their numbers too.

😂😂😂

I don’t know where you are, but I’m in an area that’s never been anything but Labour and all I see is Reform voters calling Labour voters scum, loony lefties, traitors, morons, dickheads, ‘immigrant lovers’, wankers etc.

Reform voters round here are very vocal and don’t paint themselves in a good light at all.

And where do you ‘see’ this?

I’m not too worried about Reforms success in fact maybe people need to get it out of their system now before a GE. This will give Reform just enough time to mess up as they have done already where they have control. People will then learn from their mistakes.
short term pain for long term gain.
The greens will quietly work away on the seats they have and do well and it will all come right in the end when it really matters

This is a good point. Racism lost is meaning in this context. People not wanting to have people coming here that are criminal and come illegally is not racist. Opposition to open borders is not racist.

Great idea, wages should not be subsidized. Everyone should pay the going rate. Why should the taxpayer subsidize low wages. That a Bliar invention which has led to wage stagnation in this country.

But paying the going rate means higher prices for consumers as companies won’t take the hit. Its complex like many economic policies.

Wage stagnation is a result of our low productivity and lack of investment post crash. Pre 08 they did grow.

Greens will do well? Like Brighton council?

You would hope so!

Exactly. Companies will respond by automating and investing. It’s literally how investment decisions in businesses work. When cost of labour goes above x and it’s cheaper to automate and the payback time shortens, they go automate. Raising productivity.

Great, isn’t it?

This is what I am clinging onto: that Reform fuck themselves through incompetence in running local councils in time for a General Election.

Otherwise its turn the lights out time for this country.

People are politically illiterate. I’m not saying every Reform voter is an idiot but as I said earlier in the thread, the flyer in our area stated pledges a councillor would and could never fulfil. I have no doubt they’ll still win.

People don’t know the difference between a councillor and MP. They just see Reform and they’re like yeah, I like Nigel, they’re a no nonsense party and they get things done! Except they don’t get anything done, they barely turn up to council meetings and Farage is basically never in his constituency.

It will only come right for Greens if they tackle the problem they currently have with antisemitism amongst certain candidates in their party and their leader takes a harder approach towards antisemitism.

The Greens need to tackle antisemitism in the same way Labour had to under Corbyn. That may mean adopting a new leader which worked at making Labour electable, for a time at least.

Maybe a Jewish leader could help? Oh wait…

I am ‘seeing’ this on local Facebook groups. They’ve all been a barrage of shite for weeks, insults from both sides but in my experience the main name calling, hysteria and obsession as the OP put it mainly comes from one side where I am and it’s not from Labour voters.

That ok with you?

Yes many people are politically illiterate.

To be fair though, all the party leaders seem to exploit this by promising things they can never hope to deliver.

A quick look on social media

No point having better employment rights when you can't get a job though is there, as Labour have demonstrated very recently.

The Conservatives are doing pretty badly too which I'm slightly surprised at, I suspect Reform has turned a lot of their voters.

@lxn889121 thanks for this

Wow. 18/19 gone to Reform where I am. That's huge. I am not sure how Starmer can get back from that.

A Jewish leader hasn't helped so it's obviously too simplistic to think that all you need to do to prevent racism in a party is to appoint a leader from a certain background.

Exactly my experience too - and there are accounts of it across the country. I think there are some lucky posters who don’t know some of the types of people - predominantly men - who have been most vocal and active for Reform at local level, and how harassed and intimidated left-wing people in those communities have been, way beyond a bit of politics-related name-calling.

How is anyone voting Reform or Green? Islamophobia v Antisemitism!

My teen DD informs me that on Tik Tok there is a huge sentiment amongst young people to vote Green. I have seen people voting for them and saying moronic things on SM like “Sort out your vetting process to eliminate antisemitism” as if the antisemitism is an afterthought.

I am not Jewish but the disgusting violence, intimidation and abuse of Jewish people should not be an afterthought in deciding who to vote for. Let’s remember ZP was telling women not so long ago that he could make their breasts bigger with hypnosis!

This said, deciding who to vote for right now is like choosing between sickness or diarrhoea.