Violent rapist allowed to stay in UK to rape again

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Is there already a thread on this case? I will ask for this one to be removed if so. I am just angry that this horrible man’s feelings were put before the fact that he had a fetish about violent rape.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ye594p0z0o
It is quite wrong that the judge ordered he should be allowed to stay in the UK when it was clear to the Home Office that he would rape again.
Sorry, I have tried to insert a question about there being an inquiry into the decision of the judge to let him stay to rape women again but my phone won’t let me.

This.

There shouldn’t even be any kind of appeal against deportation allowed. If you’re convicted of rape, you’re deported. That should also apply with any type of criminal conviction such as mugging, burglary, fraud. Most countries deport criminals who commit crimes, why on earth does the UK either not bother or allow appeals?

Thanks for the correction. Better but still too short.

I've just researched this and apparently for this kind of long-term sentence only 2/3rds is served in prison.

There's no guarantee they'll get any punishment in their home country and some victims want to see them serve time first.

I’m not sure why women and girls are deprioritised always when it comes to the overall system.

I mean beyond the reply the patriarchy, with half the population are meant to say yeh sure look after the violent men more than us.

Just looked him up and he was born in Italy. So I think he's only Nigerian because his mum is a Nigerian national, and didn't apply for him to become a citizen in the countries he's lived? (Being born in a country doesn't make you a citizen of that country in most instances)

How does 'send them back' work if it's sending to a country that he's never been to? Should be be sent to Italy?

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/migrant-who-raped-welsh-teenager-33613810

The severity of the punishment has an effect on crime.

We are too soft, with any crime.
But with rape, the sentences are a joke. Proof of it is this man. He has only been sentenced after several crimes.....
That is the root of the problem.

Longer sentences that are actually served, mandatory work in prison, provision of a real and disciplined structure in prison, real rehabilitation programs.
If someone goes into prison and has to get up at a regular time, clean their space, work, study, have real good psychological evaluations and so on, they may straighten their lives. But the reality is that there is a huge problem with drugs inside our prisons. And they are useless.

A real tangible risk of deportation will act as a good deterrant, for those born abroad.

Sentencing from first offence, longer sentences, tougher conditions, high discipline in jail and even, I dare to say, chemical castration and rehabilitation centres for those who still have violent or sexual abuse tendencies and thoughts after their stay in jail.
We have to be tough on any criminal. From first offence.
The rights of any criminal can never be equal or higher than that of the law abiding citizen. They renounced to that equality when they took the rights of others, particular in violent attacks. No criminal gives a shit about the rights of their victims. There is where they lose their own rights. And they have to re-learn how to respect others or be kept away from society, at any cost.

Surely they are here due to the magnanimity of the host nation which should be conditional on them not committing serious violent offences. I don’t think that is unreasonable is it? Most men manage to refrain from raping girls they don’t know in parks. It’s not hard.

Yes, this is a hugely complicating factor from a legal point, which is probably why the HO attempts to deport him ultimately failed.

From a personal standpoint, I'm not sure deporting someone to a country they've never set foot in sits right with me.

Would be a pretty good deterrent though.

Why don’t you read their policies? One of them is admitting people affected by climate change. So the whole of the African continent?

As everyone has said repeatedly there are enough criminals here already. Why do we - or you - want more? Men who come here having destroyed their papers - we have absolutely no idea if they are a wanted murderer or have a previous record or even believe - in the words of one of the Brighton gang rapists - “what’s the difference between rape and sex” .

ZP hasn’t said how many and if asked or Greens are asked they get a bit antsy.

I imagine Italy would deport him...they have the ability to deport people they deem to be a threat to public order even without a conviction (there was a recent case where an imam was deported after a TV documentary investigation).

The sentence is 17 years custody + 8 on licence, so 25 years total.

And then all the “whataboutery” from other actual women!! Well they purport as women on here, but the smug attempts at gotchas on every thread like this are chilling.

A lot of men, rape, the number of random attacks are increasing, white men have raped and abused close friends and family, this isn’t a reason to accept it from immigrants either, many of whom will never rape.
Crime is increasing due to mass immigration.
Reading about the young teenager in Germany who was pushed under a train while standing with her grandfather, like it or not, the countries these men are coming from are not so civilised. I can only pity the women in 3rd world countries.
I would be happy to see boats full of women arriving to safety.
ATT there is a very affluent young man from Ireland on trial for the rape and murder of a young beautiful nurse in Hungary. His parents although anonymous have hired the best legal team in the country, to free their rapist murdering son, from his software development career break trip. 🤮

Yes, I remember finding out what rape meant when I was a child and then I was totally astonished that a person committing rape as not put away for life. I just assumed that would be the case. How naive was I.

I think PPs are concerned about what happens if / when this individual is freed from prison.

He has a number of previous convictions, has previously gone through prison, ‘rehabilitation’ and probation, and still went on to commit sexual violent crimes. That leads us to conclude that the justice and rehabilitation service did not work, it did not lead to changed behaviour and more women were horrifically harmed as a result.

Many will reasonable conclude that this offender, this violent rapist is likely to continue to do harm, putting women continually at risk.

Now, for UK born offenders, the system or probation service is the only safeguard against that risk once offenders are freed, and we all know that often fails. But in this case, yes, down to a technicality of birth, there is another route of action available to the Gvt to protect women from this individual, and one which is more likely to be successful than rehabilitation and probation which has already shown to not work for this individual.

OMG

My lovely English Aunt was raped and murdered on holiday abroad, so no it does not.

We definitively need to address the system. It is not working.
Neither is Prevent. It is failing to control real huge risks.
The Justice, rehabilitation and prison system is plain shite.

What absolutely horrific reading - entirely agree.

I don't think it is just women being failed by the legal and judicial system though. Look at the Golders Green attack where Essa Suleiman stabbed two Jewish men.
In 2008 he stabbed a police officer repeatedly in the head, face and leg and also his police dog in the chest and was then referred to Prevent in 2020. It seems incomprehensible that such a person not be stripped of citizenship.

Which bit don't you agree:
a) That all women across the world should have the equal right not to be raped or
b) that kicking someone out of the country doesn't solve the problem, they will likely go and rape someone.

Judges at tribunals can do as they want, without accountability, it is time for Ministers to make these decisions, that why they can be questioned and voted out if they fail to protect the public.

This man should serve his custodial sentence here, then be deported.

The failures to act in the public interest is exactly why we will get a far right Govt in 2029.

Yes I wonder if the we should prioritise violent men over women and girls have DDs.