AIBU to believe antisemitism is being ignored by the left wing in politics.

[OpheliaWasntMad]

The anti Israeli/ pro Palestine marches have created an environment that encourages antisemitism. The Green Party is colluding with extremists. British Jews are right to feel angry and afraid .

The treatment of Palestinians is a human rights issue and must be challenged. Antisemitism is also a human rights issue and must be challenged. I have some very lefty friends and hang around in lefty circles and this is all I’ve ever heard from anyone. I’ve personally only experienced antisemitism from right wing racists.

I agree & it's plain as the nose on your face. The mental gymnastics people go through to deny it is fascinating to see though. It's been the same tactics as the trans movement & it will end like the trans movement because people have now had enough. They've gone too far. The emperor is naked.

Stupid, racist men are attacking brown and Jewish people.

Our government has just decided to delete the records we have on Israeli breaches of international law in Gaza.

Caring about middle eastern people isn't a fad, like protesting against South African apartheid was not a fad.

I hope our anti genocide/war protests do stop - when the killing has stopped and the Israeli government, IDF, and any businesses or governments who assisted them are investigated and convicted by the international court.

I'm Jewish and its never disappeared. I'm being honest. Whats happening now is that the right wing are making people who are anti Jew feel like they're ok to let this hatred out. And creating endless propaganda to try to make others anti Jew.

Your explanation sounds incorrect.
The right wing are more concerned about the Islamist and anti-Semitic marches taking place every weekend, as everyone should be.

Please everyone read this for an example of exactly what I mean. I'm a Jew with me and my kids on the receiving end of anti Semitism, all our lives, then when I share this experience I'm told 'i'm incorrect'.

What?!

The right wing hate jews, they've always hated jews. That's literally the core of what the right wing is.

As far as I can see the left wing are antisemitic.

This is very, very much not in keeping with the comments of the vast majority of Jews I know, have seen online and have heard on the radio over the last few years.

Suspiciously so, in fact.

@Mintchocs , I really cannot understand how you have come to that conclusion! It is those (not all obviously) on the left of politics who are falling over themselves to support a section of society who wish to wipe Jews from the face of the earth. Those of us on the right politically generally are much more critical of that section of society and greatly more supportive of Jewish people and their rights.

It’s not the right wing it’s the left.

The left are not just ignoring anti-Semitism but creating it.

Jews used to be hated and killed for their religion, when religion was what mattered in society. Then society got interested in race, and Jews were hated and killed for their race. Now politics is what matters in society and Jews are hated and killed for politics. History doesn’t repeat but it rhymes. Antizionism is the new form of antizionism. You can tell antiZionism is hate movement by the way they suffix the world Zionist with words like ‘scum’, or prefix it with words like ‘dirty’. The latter also showing how libels and insults that were thrown openly at Jews are now thrown at Zionists. So ‘dirty Jew’ has become ‘’dirty Zionist’, Jews controlling the media has become Zionists control the media, Jews control world leaders has become Israel / Zionists controls world leaders.

And antiZionism is a movement adopted by the left.

I'm in a large WhatsApp group that's mostly populated with Jewish people in the UK, and literally not one of them has brought up feeling a threat from the right wing.

Every single one has mentioned the left - particularly the bizarre Green-Muslim alliance - and the link between that and them either personally suffering anti-Semitism or someone close to them suffering it.

It's astonishing to think there's a poster on here who thinks there's no threat to the Jews from the left.

Agree

Are you perhaps in America where I think the right wing is still more anti-Semitic than the right in the UK is.

There has always been anti-Semitism in the left too. See communist Russia. Also Russia started the antiZionism we see today due to their antisemitism. Feminism also has an inglorious history of antisemitism arising from their left worldview.

Here in the UK today the antisemitism is being grown by the left. The Green Party has appalling levels of antisemitism amongst its candidates and members.

If only being ignored was the biggest problem. Actively encouraged by the Greens, some Independents and some far left Labour MPs..

Obviously I meant to say antiZionism is the new form of antisemitism.

Yeah, it’s shameful tbh, I’m a visible ethnic minority and I’ve never ever experienced the generalised feeling of racism and threat thats currently directed at Jewish people. It’s sickening and lets be honest right now it’s coming from the left and muslim communities (not everyone obviously it goes without saying, there are decent people loudly denouncing it).

Theres no point in being dishonest about it, you can’t solve a problem if you refuse to name it.

I genuinely feel appalled by the governments handling of this. I genuinely think if it had been any other minority community there would have been more outcry. Theres an air of impunity around this and I suspect a lot of it is a political calculation rather than what it should be treated as which as a law and order issue. Everyone should be treated the same, I increasing like think moral licensing is a particularly left wing disease.

Absolutely this.

The issue is the media have consistently conflated anti-Zionism with antisemitism so people think Jews are all zionists. Not every Jew supports Israel’s actions but because the two get lumped together, everyone assumes they do.

Antisemitism has been rife throughout history. When Shakespeare wrote The Merchant of Venice, Jews had been banned from living here for around 300 years. Yet he still knew enough of the stereotypes to create… that.

I find the abundance of green anti left wing threads intriguing . A cynic would think some on the far right are rattled by their success.

In answer to the op I also think British Muslims have right to feel afraid too. I sincerely hope all religions who are the victims of hate crime are remembered.

It’s not ok to target Jewish people for the atrocities that Israel have been undertaking. Likewise it’s not ok to target Muslim people for things leaders of Muslim countries do.

And it’s definitely not ok for political parties in the uk to attempt to use either for political gain.

It’s also fair to say it’s not the Right wing on the marches, waving Palestinian flags, chanting anti-Semitic slogans, promoting anti-Semitic sentiment.
It’s the weak minded, the Islamists and the far Left, and obviously the Greens.

I’m hugely against what has happened in Gaza. It’s absolutely awful. Netanyahu is an evil man.

I’m also really concerned about targeting of a Jewish communities in Britain.

Basic human decency means we can be both.

I used to date a Jewish guy in uni and it opened my eyes to some Anti Semitic views I'd not noticed before. So I sympathise that it must feel hard. My beliefs though is (much as people hate him) Starmer has done a lot to try and tackle anti semitism in Labour but also there is a space for justifiable criticism.

So I don't forget the horror of the attacks on Israel but I also don't think the response from Israel since has been justified. Especially the harms done to civilians. I don't think that makes me anti semitic, it makes me anti the specific actions of a very hard line leader who happens to be currently leading Israel.

Honestly? My thoughts on Israel since the October attacks was everything Benjamin Netanyahu did since was entirely anticipated and the aim of the plan. They knew that he'd retaliate and retaliate so hard that they would lose global sympathy and Netanyahu fell into the trap.

What's happening in Iran now is again, entirely predictable. (It's like Israel and the US lack people in war gaming roles.)

This doesn't mean I agree with Iran either nor their sponsorship of terrorist groups. It just means I don't think bombing terrorists into changing their minds ever works. When you have generations of people brought up to believe that their destiny is to die for their cause, killing them does nothing but create more martyrs and more propaganda.

When 9/11 happened, the world was misled into believing that OBL was attacking the US "way of life". He was not. He'd made it very clear. He was attacking US foreign policy and the foreign policy of Israel and the US has done more to destabilise the world than anything else. At times, the UK has been complicit in it but fortunately not this one. That doesn't make terrorist attacks right in any way, do not misunderstand me but it makes countries more vulnerable to them.

None of this makes any attack on a Jewish person in any way ok and I don't underestimate the fear right now. But I separate those abhorrent acts from (in my view) rightful criticism of Israel. Those who conflate the two are absolutely wrong but also it's not right to claim any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.

Another one...I've been a Jew all my life and I'm told again, straight away, with all the confidence, that I'm wrong.

'Well its not what other Jews I know say'.

When people say 'how did it happen?' Well this is how. It starts here...believing its ok, casually, with entitlement, to tell a Jew that the anti semitism they've always recieved (after Jews have just been stabbed in broad daylight) is not really correct. It starts with discounting suffering, taking a lived experience as less than. Ignoring stuff, batting off someones knowledge, then it escalates from there.

By the way denying the Jewish experience this way has been around forever, its not surprising to me too see these kinds of posts. Jews you've heard on the radio. Seriously?

Also the word 'suspicious', used to refer to a Jew. That's horrible.

I do find it bizarre that in the recent by-election, the hard right were claiming there was "family voting" in Muslim families to vote for the Greens.

The Greens?

So they thought, without evidence (and it was disproven) that a subset of the local community were so conservative that they would dominate who to vote for across their whole family.

And in doing so, they'd vote for an extremely socially progressive party, for a female MP in a party led by a gay, Jewish leader.

Erm... Now that's some mental gymnastics!

You've rumbled us. The famously Jew loving far right has infiltrated Mumsnet so that people are highlighting the racism of the Green Party, even though they are predominantly a threat to Labour, all because the real threat to the far right is Labour due to their extreme high popularity at the moment.

Very good logic!