AIBU to believe antisemitism is being ignored by the left wing in politics.

[OpheliaWasntMad]

The anti Israeli/ pro Palestine marches have created an environment that encourages antisemitism. The Green Party is colluding with extremists. British Jews are right to feel angry and afraid .

I can hear a lot of fear in your post OP but a quick google and I can see that arrests are being made? It seems very much like he is doing what you're asking for?

Man arrested in Newhaven over 'target Jewish businesses' post - BBC News
Woman arrested after alleged antisemitic comments at weekend protest in Manchester | Greater Manchester Police
Met Police makes more than 20 arrests following antisemitic hate crime crackdown - Jewish News

There are more, that's just a selection.

I agree he's weak but he's also expelled and suspended a lot of members of his own party since he became leader, to much internal criticism, but did it anyway.

What more do you want?

I agree. Interesting the "unite against racism" do not put anti semitism on their agenda - ignored. Likewise after all the attacks and abuse - did those who put a French tricolour to commemorate the Charlie harbour massacre, or a bee for Manchester or a Ukrainian flag to the war there - where's your star of David - hypocrites.

You’re misreading my post. I feel anger not fear. I’m not Jewish. It’s the Jewish community that are fearful.
What more do I want ?
”What could they do? Arrest hate preachers who call for Jews to be killed. Investigate religious sermons that spread Jew-hatred or call for non-adherents to be killed. Overhaul systemic anti-Jewish bias in the national broadcaster. Establish proper inquiries to identify and root out extremist funding in universities and wider society. Counter every attempt to intimidate or dominate Jews, and others, by sectarian forces. Take every threat seriously. Ban Iranian regime-linked groups from operating in the UK. Investigate charities that raise money and then funnel it to terrorist or terrorist-sympathising causes.”

What an appalling and antisemitic post. Shame on you . British Jews are not responsible for what happens in other countries.
You attitudes allows the following sorts of things to happen

“the Yom Kippur terror attack at Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation in Manchester in October, where a car was driven at people outside a synagogue and worshippers were stabbed. Adrian Daulby and Melvin Cravitz were killed and three others seriously injured. …

four Hatzola ambulances, run by a Jewish volunteer emergency service, were set alight in Golders Green last month, oxygen cylinders exploding and nearby windows shattering.
..
petrol bottles and a brick were thrown at Finchley Reform Synagogue two weeks ago. …

…an attempted firebombing at Kenton United Synagogue the week before last. After counter-terror police arrested eight people over suspected arson plots against Jewish-linked sites last week. ..

a suspected security incident near the Israeli embassy in Kensington Gardens two weeks ago.
…an arson attack on a memorial wall in Golders Green yesterday.

Jewish schoolboys were assaulted at Belsize Park station

a Jewish man was attacked by teenagers in Hendon.
a Jewish father was abused on the Northern line. Israelis were attacked in Leicester Square for speaking Hebrew
a man in Wembley was asked whether he was Jewish and then punched in the face three years ago.
Jews leaving a West London synagogue were abused and assaulted;
Gail’s in Archway was daubed with red paint and anti-Israel slogans in February because a bakery had somehow become another acceptable proxy for Jewishness.”

Seriously you can not see what is wrong with your post

do you consider yourself someone who treats people as individuals or you do judge them by their ethnicity or faith ?

There are clearly threats from the left, yes, but we should not be minimising threats from the right. The most vicious antisemitism I have encountered came from someone who supports fascist groups and doggedly maintained Holocaust denial.

Err where did i say British Jews were in anyway responsible for attacks by the IDF?
i was replying to a pp who said we should have a Star of David meme if we had a Charlie Hebdo one... if not, i'm now a hypocrite.

You highlight the problem though, one cannot have a debate without being called antisemitic.

I don't want to do a Star of David meme, is it now the law that i have too? the man who attacked these 2 jews, also stabbed a Muslim & he was under the care of a MH unit, thats just the facts.

I've no idea how you come to that conclusion.

I ve stated the facts.

You stated ‘I would imagine that if Ukraine had gone about killing 80k Russians, no one would have had much sympathy for them’

that is not fact it’s an opinion

so I asked a question

do you consider yourself someone who treats people as individuals or you do judge them by their ethnicity or faith ?

it’s a simple question

No I just think that there is a lot of alarm to this attack, which I understand but as a previous poster has pointed out, it's being portrayed as an antisemitic attack when the man stabbed three people, the first was Muslim.

I'm not saying by that the attack was not antisemitic but if you read the coverage of it, the third victim has almost completely been erased.

There is too much hate. Full stop. There's hate against Jews, Muslims, Women, black people, homosexuals etc etc. It all needs to stop. But to my mind and in my view, I can see actions being taken. Like Palestine Action being banned. Problem is that to some, it will never be enough. I'd argue the actions to stop violence against women haven't come close to being enough in the UK but that's possibly something I notice because I've been a victim of it.

It's a tricky balance for some of this as even on this thread we've had posts removed which have been Islamophobic. Sometimes those feeling like they are rightfully defending morph into attacking instead. That has happened here. Look at the removed posts for evidence. The fact the post was taken down for a while because of the responses. That's where whichever "side" you are on, you will never feel like people are doing enough because some on each "side" haven't noticed when their defence has become attack.

Oh and Farage using this for his own political aims is laughable. Look at articles from his old schoolfriends... The Right Wing are trying to make yards out of this. Much as they do with any offence committed by an immigrant. They will be up in arms in the press about it but curiously silent when a similar offence is committed by a Brit. That's why I replied to your post. I detest hypocrisy from the right wing on stuff like this and I detest their attempts to weaponise grief and concern. But they do it all the time.

I think those on the left should recognise their own issues and deal with them.There have been efforts from Labour - and the problem has migrated to the Green Party. The new face of the Antusemitic Left

It very much sounds to me as if you are trying to minimise the legitimate concerns about the exponential rise in antisemitism.
Per head of the population- Jewish experience 8 times as many hate attacks a Muslims .

Your post has been deleted- because it was offensive - particularly to the Jewish community.
You should reflect on that.

The problem is lack of nuance. To be fair, racists on the right and the left would gladly see us all shoved into ovens. It's sickening to see Farage, a documented antisemite and leader of a party that's a direct descendent of the Nazi party pretend to be on our side. It's a shocking betrayal by the left who traditionally stood in solidarity with oppressed groups that they've turned their backs on Jews and perpetuate outright racism. There is no good v bad side here, no right side of history, no moral high ground to be taken. Jews are on our own like we always have been. Whether we support the Israeli government or (like me) oppose them for the far right hawks they are, it will always be assumed that British Jews, living under a UK government will somehow see Netanayhu as "our" leader - because people will never accept us as properly British even if our family has been here for generations.

Absolutely agree that the antisemitism comes from extremists on both right and left.
We know racism is endemic in far right and in the Reform party.
But it’s disturbing how prevalent antisemitism has become on the left . In particular since Zack Polanski changed the direction / tone and message of the Green Party

Edited to add - I am very sorry that the Jewish community feels they are on their own . The betrayal of left wing leaders ( who one would expect to be more concerned about racism ) is to me a particular blow.
Please know that there is a lot of quiet support for your community. We need to make that support louder and more visible.

https://x.com/rachelmoiselle/status/2050635620859441208?s=46

Good for Boy George

Maybe but so has your argument.

Labour are doing what they should be doing. Great. Is it about time that you recognise that it's been more than "efforts"? As I've asked a few times, what exactly do you want them to do that they're not already doing?

What do I want them to do ? I’ve provided you with a list twice - have you not bothered to read it?
What could they do? Arrest hate preachers who call for Jews to be killed. Investigate religious sermons that spread Jew-hatred or call for non-adherents to be killed. Overhaul systemic anti-Jewish bias in the national broadcaster. Establish proper inquiries to identify and root out extremist funding in universities and wider society. Counter every attempt to intimidate or dominate Jews, and others, by sectarian forces. Take every threat seriously. Ban Iranian regime-linked groups from operating in the UK. Investigate charities that raise money and then funnel it to terrorist or terrorist-sympathising causes.”
Edited

And I've already given you evidence of them doing what you want.

I'm so very tired. But instead of being so very very angry, perhaps you can see the positive? That change is happening? That people are actually trying?

Some change is happening and at first Kier Starmer was praised for rebuilding ties with the Jewish community by expelling a lot of those who were antisemitic (and have now moved to the Greens).

Your focus seems to be on the fact that people have been arrested but that's really only part of what's needed. You mention being aware of violence against women (I'm sorry you have experienced that) and that actions haven't gone far enough to deal with it (which I whole-heartedly agree with), in a similar manner we need a more holistic approach to antisemitism. It isn't enough to arrest people after a crime has been committed, we need to see actions which will help prevent these crimes in the first place. Intolerance based on sex, religion, ethnicity, race, should not be tolerated and we need more to be done to address these.

Such actions are going to be complicated and difficult to implement and likely lead to some uncomfortable discussions but that doesn't mean our politicans shouldn't try, and that we shouldn't expect more from them.

You have always been courteous and polite and I respect that. I honestly feel I have answered your question. I don’t think we agree but I don’t think you are posting in bad faith and I agree that most left leaning people ( including me) are horrified by antisemitism.

I am also horrified but I also think change doesn't happen overnight. And thank you for thanking my courtesy.

But what I see in the Golders Green attacks are three things that were quite low on the reporting priorities.

• The man who committed these crimes had a history of being disturbed.
• The first person who he attacked is a Muslim.
• The person who detained him long enough for the police to catch him (and he attempted to attack too) was born in Iran. (Google Ashkan Asadian. He probably saved a life.)

I think there is some signs that this attack might not have been due to race or religion and, even if it was, that there are decent people out there, prepared to fight.

You can always look for the bad and despair. And it will always be there to find. Sometimes those concerned about protected characteristics being the cause will find it where they may not be.

There's always more to do. And the more you look for the bad, the more everything there is to do will feel insurmountable. But there is good.

Its true that we should look for the good:

• the police caught him immediately
• Shomrim helped stop and disarm him
• Hatzola were able to treat the victims in Golders Green and, thankfully, neither died
• the Iranian diaspora has stood by the Jewish community as antisemitism rises and helped to defend us

But by only focusing on the items you mentioned, you risk hiding serious issues:

• the attacker has a history of mental illness but the details have not been disclosed so its not clear yet what relevance this has. He had also stabbed a police officer previously, and his dog, and been reported to prevent, so it was clear that he was a danger to society.
• the first man stabbed was not stabbed because he was muslim but because of a personal dispute with the attacker who he knew. Comparatively, the two Jewish men were not known to the attacker and it wasn't that he just happened to attack two people that turned out to be Jewish, his two victims were visibly Jewish because of their clothing.

By not facing up to these facts, the issues will be allowed to fester and grow.