Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

New renter rights act is a bloody good thing!

444 replies

Pineapplewhip · Yesterday 06:24

Naturally landlords have some justifiable concerns/questions but those that are up in arms about the whole thing are completely bloody immoral. The slum landlords have spoilt it for the good ones and the decent landlords should blame them and not the government for protecting people.

If you arent aware of the actual points of the bill - I've listed them below. I cant see how any reasonable person can disagree that it's just enforcing the most basic human decency and regulation.

  • End to no fault evictions: landlords can only evict renters if they want to sell, move in themselves, move their family into the property or there are serious rent arrears. They have to prove they are selling too - they cant just say they are!
  • Rent can only rise once a year, any rise above market rate can be disputed fairly and 2 months notice is given.
  • Landlords can't refuse you for having children or being on benefits (if you prove that benefits/finances make the property affordable). This isnt about being on full benefits either. Many single parents need benefits to top up income.
  • Landlord ombudsman - tennants can raise fair disputes and repair issues for free online and landlords cannot just ignore it/grey rock. Repeat offenders will be visable in the database. Landlords legally must act on the complaints.
  • Faster action must be taken on damp and mould. Basic human rights! No more shitty emails from a middle man letting agent just blaming the tennant for not opening a window - when actually (for example) a house needs its brickwork repointing.

The only legitimate thing I have empathy for is the concern that it will be more of a process to evict non paying tennants as it will need to go through a court. However - this is why landlord insurance exists!!

Please ask yourself - if your child was renting - wouldn't you want them protected like this?

OP posts:
Blankscreen · Yesterday 19:54

I've listened to landlords moaning all week on various radio phone ins about the new rules.

So many hard done by stories. Not one of them mentioned the plus side - the reason the majority of them do it -for the huge capital gain in the value of the property.

dancehysterical55 · Yesterday 20:14

greenappletasty · Yesterday 18:42

I am really lovely which is why I let my house out for below market rent for years and was a fantastic landlord. Those gloating and calling landlords all kinds of awful names are misdirecting their anger. As are you. You are all stuffed if you are stuck in rental when you don’t want to be. And it’s not because of landlords. It’s because of successive government policies and Thatcher with her Right To Buy madness. This lovely landlord is out and I wish you all the best. Because you are going to really need it. Direct your focus to the government.

I’m not angry at all.

SpryJoker · Yesterday 20:20

A gain which is rightly taxed when you sell

AutumnAllTheWay · Yesterday 20:31

greenappletasty · Yesterday 07:01

Short sighted OP and naive. Unless you’re been a landlord you have no idea what reality is like. I’ve rented privately for 15 years before I bought and I’ve been a landlord too.

I was a landlord. I bought a house and the market crashed. If I had sold I would have lost money so I rented it out. I had over a decade of the most horrendous tenants and it showed me the very worst in people. Every single tenant trashed the house. Every single tenant disputed the deposit after trashing the house. Here’s just a small sample: left dog regularly overnight alone so it pissed, howled and barked. It took 6 months to get rid of the smell of piss and I had to take up an entire hard floor costing me over £5k in damages. Used a saw to cut off half a kitchen cupboard. Left so much shit in that house at end of tenancy that I had to order a skip. Ignored my repeat warnings not to remove the hair blocker from the shower, then flooded the entire lounge ceiling bringing it down and lied trying to pin it on the neighbouring house. The drain man I was made to pay for confirmed the pipes were blocked with copious amounts of hair yet tenant still demanded I pay it. Set fire to lounge carpet but refused to replace. Drilled 40 plus bolts into brand new painted bedroom walls and attached fitted cupboards. Cost me £1000s to repair. One tenancy change over I opened the oven door to find I was looking at the foundations of my house. They’d refused to clean the oven once and it was that bad the bottom of it had fallen out - when I said I needed to keep some of the deposit they screamed and shouted claiming it was fair wear and tear. Ripped out bathroom ceiling lights, smashed toilet pan, never ever weeded gardens, never ever handed back the house in the same pristine and clean state they got it, refused to pay for professional cleans at changeover despite it being in the contract, smashed ceiling light shades, defaulted on rent many times.

I had 5 tenants over a decade and they were all horrendous and entitled.

And as for mould and damp. I spent thousands because of their refusal and thick as mince attitude to old Victorian houses. I told each and every one repeatedly, “This is a Victorian house. It is designed to BREATHE. That means you must open windows every single day, no matter the season. You must not dry clothes on radiators. You must open the window every single time you shower.”

But no. Every single tenant refused to do this then complained repeatedly about the damp and mould spores forming on the walls everywhere. I even paid £900 for a specialist damp surveyor who presented them with a report saying this is not rising damp, or atmy other kind of damp. It is condensation caused by the inhabitants who are not treating the house as it needs to be treated. But they never listened. I’d lived in the house for nine years before I rented it out and never had any damp at all because I opened windows every day. It’s not rocket science. The damp inspector said most of his work was due to stupid tenants.

I could go on. I never made any profit and made a loss every year for a decade. Tenants have NO IDEA the costs of being responsible for the upkeep of a house. They have no idea that stress and time lost putting right their abuse of the property.

I did not increase rent once in ten years.

selling that house was the best thing I ever did. And it was in an area crying out for rental properties. Of which now there are hardly any and the demand is greater than ever.

The new bill has driven thousands of great landlords out and you will all be even more stuffed than you already are.

You sound pleasant.

puddingwisdom · Yesterday 21:01

dancehysterical55 · Yesterday 14:52

You didn't have to rent it out, though, did you?

No, I could have sold it.

So what?- why should I give a flying fuck about what some random online person thinks of my choice - do you ask strangers online for permission before you sell things that legally belong to you?

Good grief- the hypocrisy on this thread is mind blowing.

I suppose you would just give away any house that you inherited would you, for free? 🤣

Crikeyalmighty · Yesterday 21:04

Blankscreen · Yesterday 19:54

I've listened to landlords moaning all week on various radio phone ins about the new rules.

So many hard done by stories. Not one of them mentioned the plus side - the reason the majority of them do it -for the huge capital gain in the value of the property.

Yes- I’m a bit infuriated at the landlord who posted earlier that she was subsidising her tenant because her mortgage and costs were higher than what the tenant was paying - no one forced her to be a landlord or have a BTL mortgage - many do indeed do it mainly for the longer term capital gain and are now a bit pissed off as most house prices are now static or falling slightly. I am paying quite a lot more than my landlords mortgage by a very large margin indeed as my landlord is very nice and we chatted about it . It is what it is and My lovely 4 bed semi is their fallback retirement ‘downsizing house’ after moving to some massive country place -

Mumto4loveliesxx · Yesterday 21:15

I rent out my house as I am currently a carer for my elderly mother. One of the tenants who has just moved in isn’t working but she does have an income from investments. The amount invested is less than the value of my house but the investments are yielding more than my rental income- but minus the work, risk and stress.
i am very attached to my house but it does make me wonder whether I would be better off doing what she has done. When she moved in, her father told me he had just sold all of his rental properties.
Increased renters’ rights sounds great - until the landlords vote with their feet - which I think many of them are doing.
The left wing ideology sounds great, as long as no proper scrutiny is applied.

Youremyannie · Yesterday 21:19

NeelyOHara · Yesterday 06:43

Just as many shitty tenants as landlords, even more so imo. All they’ve done is made it so that only wealthy people will be considered worth the risk renting to. I have just gotten a tenant who has paid 6 months upfront, it’s made things less stressful for us both and I won’t rent it out again unless the person can do that.

No one has to be a landlord. Most people don't have a choice in renting.

Youremyannie · Yesterday 21:20

PleaseStopEatingMyStuff · Yesterday 06:56

Heading for a catastrophe if all the good small landlords sell up. And they will as i already know 2 who are.

You think your knowledge of 2, means they all will? 🤣

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 21:26

bumblebee1000 · Yesterday 16:51

I do admin one day a week for an agency, lots of small landlords have sold up last year and this year. The insurance companies, Canadian pension funds and Lloyds TSB are buying up thousands of these houses and flats...and then reletting them at higher rents !!

That doesn’t sound likely at all. Pension companies want to buy outright complete buildings, not random flats here are there subject to unknown maintenance and service charges.
They are also not buying random 120 year old solid wall terrace houses.

GingerBeverage · Yesterday 21:29

I read this whole thread and now I think anyone wanting to be a landlord is insane.

MyCottageGarden · Yesterday 21:57

NeelyOHara · Yesterday 06:43

Just as many shitty tenants as landlords, even more so imo. All they’ve done is made it so that only wealthy people will be considered worth the risk renting to. I have just gotten a tenant who has paid 6 months upfront, it’s made things less stressful for us both and I won’t rent it out again unless the person can do that.

It’s illegal to accept or require 6 months rent in advance!

caringcarer · Yesterday 21:58

250k LL's have sold up in last year up to March. Many more have now given section 21 and will be selling up in next 6-12 months. I belong to a LL forum and know many of the LL's personally. None are buying and about £5 percent are doing as I am doing and selling 2 or 3 properties each year until all but 2 house sold, as mortgage terms expire. I have 12 houses rented out housing 26 adults, 21 DC and a set of twins on the way as well as many cats and 3 dogs. In 3 years all will be sold. The EPC is too difficult for Victorian terraced houses, and I have 4 of those, as single skins and internal cladding would cost between £11.5-13.5k depending on if 2 or 3 bedrooms. It can't be done whilst tenants are Insitu either. All so tenants can save less than £200 on heating per annum. It is not financially viable. I've been a Landlord for about 25 years now. I've been invited to several tenant weddings and I'm a Godmother to one DC, which is the only house I won't be selling. I've only ever used section 21 twice. Once for a nightmare tenants who trashed the house and once last Friday as I've got a tenant who complains the rent is too high on almost a weekly basis. I have not put up the rent since they moved in. They will be the first to go and then 2 more houses over next summer as mortgages expire. I'm going to retire from being a landlord. Incidentally these very restrictive new laws have failed in other countries as so many LL's leave then it just gets reversed again.

caringcarer · Yesterday 21:59

MyCottageGarden · Yesterday 21:57

It’s illegal to accept or require 6 months rent in advance!

At the moment it is not after May 1st it will be.

madosaurus · Yesterday 22:08

I’m a “small” landlord who had 2 properties. I am in the process of selling one property because the tenant was moving out. The other property has a lovely family in it and will only be sold when they want to move out.

I think I am a pretty good landlord, rent is fair, any problems are sorted out quickly and the selective license inspection report praised the communication between myself and the tenants.

However, good small landlords are leaving the business by the truckloads. What the government is doing is so shortsighted. The rental properties are being bought up by corporations, slum landlords will do what they want, the rental market will shrink and rental prices will go up. In the end, the renters will pay the price.

1976a · Yesterday 22:26

ProudAmberTurtle · Yesterday 06:44

I'm afraid it's another simplistic law by Labour that appeals to a certain type of voter but is actually bad for the economy.

Turning everything into rolling periodic tenancies sounds great on paper for "tenant security," but in reality:

  • Landlords can no longer easily get their property back when they need to sell or move family in. The new Section 8 grounds are supposed to help, but we all know how slow and clogged the courts already are. Good landlords are already talking about selling up or just leaving properties empty rather than risk being stuck with a nightmare tenant for months (or years).
  • Fewer properties coming onto the market means even less choice and higher rents for everyone. We're already seeing this in searches – decent family homes are like gold dust.
  • Tenants can give two months' notice and walk away whenever, but landlords have to jump through hoops. What about landlords who end up with rent arrears, damage, or anti-social behaviour? Sorting that through the courts will be a nightmare.

This is a classic virtue-signalling "rights for renters" while completely ignoring basic economics and the fact that the private rental sector relies on willing landlords. Many accidental landlords (people with one inherited or buy-to-let property) are going to exit, shrinking supply when we already have a massive shortage.

Agree 100%. All ready less private rentals on the market, pushing up the price. Landlords are selling up and cashing in leaving good tenants with very little choice, it’s a win for ex landlords with more cash in the bank and a loss for good renters. Sad times and will only get worse as the years go on

nevernotmaybe · Yesterday 22:26

All evictions had to go through court, always did. The only actual change is that there isnt an automatic one now that will be granted once you get to court almost without fail (it was actually possible to delay for various legitimate reasons, but it was rare and for genuine need).

This will free up plenty of space on it's own meaning things will be done faster, not slower. And you can still apply for a couple of grounds for rent issues.

TeenagersAngst · Yesterday 22:44

snowmichael · Yesterday 12:01

You are completely wrong

Those are about the only two reasons you can serve a Section 21 notice

You are completely wrong to say there are only two reasons to serve a S21.

No reason is needed to serve a S21 hence its moniker ‘no fault’. (Though in reality no sane LL serves a S21 on a good tenant.)

Anyway, as of tomorrow, S21 will be a thing of the past…

closethecupboard · Yesterday 22:52

Feeling disheartened and anxious after reading this thread. I’m a tenant after living in a mortgaged house for years. A single mother of young children. We have been fortunate that we are renting from friendsbut this property is being sold next year. I receive universal credit. I always pay my rent on time. I’ve repainted parts of the house (with permission) and I have improved the house since we moved in. I even own a carpet cleaner and clean the carpets monthly! I treat the house as if it were my own.

I am worried I will have a dreadful time trying to rent next year. I do not earn a huge salary and rental prices here will be around £1800 to £2000 a month. I can afford to pay it and I have been consistently reliable but I fear me being on universal credit will put landlords off.

GoldebWeasel · Yesterday 23:10

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 17:38

OK @Bulbsbulbsbulbs - it would be many years into the future. If my own kids live there most of the time, I would make sure it complies with building regs etc anyway. They would probably stay at home for some very cold nights of the year and still use kitchen/washing machines etc in the main hosue. My neighbours 22 year old son already appears to largely live in a caravan in their garden. That is the future for many kids these days so they can save etc as well.

I think it’s crazy we’ve got to the point where people have to carefully tax plan so that their grown up children can live in their garden. I’m genuinely not having a pop at anyone or any particular group here, but do we not think that state intervention has got just a bit out of hand here?

Lotterywinner100 · Yesterday 23:26

"You will not be able to evict your tenant in the first 12 months of the tenancy if it’s because you need to move in or sell your property." How is this fair? If a landlords circumstances change they have to wait 12 months, but tenannts only two months. Im also not a fan of the pets clause. If I was happy to allow pets it would be stated in the advert. Before people start criticising me for being a landlord. Im also a tenant. I am looking to cease being a landlord ASAP.

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 23:35

@Lotterywinner100 ”How is this fair? If a landlords circumstances change they have to wait 12 months,”

Guaranteeing a minimum 12 months shouldn’t be that precarious, and if it is, they shouldn’t be in the business in the first place.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 23:35

All these choices have trade-offs though.

You expect property owners to just adjust to this new reality, and to an extent they will. But that’s likely to involve:

  • Higher rents to cover the risks of non-payment (this is what you seem to expect if you think landlords will all insure. That increased cost base then gets passed on to tenants)
  • Much more picky on tenants (as the eviction process is how much harder, taking a chance on renters with a patchy record or no history is not going to be viable, or perhaps not insurable)
  • Rent arrears no longer being settled flexibly (it’s now an insurance matter, even for the large majority of landlords who would prefer to be flexible and reasonable where they can).
  • Many owners deciding not to let at all, especially if it’s a short period.
  • Rents rising relative to house prices (benefits those who can afford to buy over those who must rent).
All of the above help some renters and hurt other renters. Those hurt are disproportionately the poorer, more transient, less well-documented or less well-trusted.
GoldebWeasel · Yesterday 23:42

closethecupboard · Yesterday 22:52

Feeling disheartened and anxious after reading this thread. I’m a tenant after living in a mortgaged house for years. A single mother of young children. We have been fortunate that we are renting from friendsbut this property is being sold next year. I receive universal credit. I always pay my rent on time. I’ve repainted parts of the house (with permission) and I have improved the house since we moved in. I even own a carpet cleaner and clean the carpets monthly! I treat the house as if it were my own.

I am worried I will have a dreadful time trying to rent next year. I do not earn a huge salary and rental prices here will be around £1800 to £2000 a month. I can afford to pay it and I have been consistently reliable but I fear me being on universal credit will put landlords off.

Edited

I’m a mortgaged ‘accidental’ landlord and I’d be more than happy to rent to you, but it just isn’t possible anymore. Nobody can really do it now unless it’s a large company and they will require over 7% yield for it to make sense. It doesn’t make sense to me, but it’s where we are.

Lotterywinner100 · Yesterday 23:55

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 23:35

@Lotterywinner100 ”How is this fair? If a landlords circumstances change they have to wait 12 months,”

Guaranteeing a minimum 12 months shouldn’t be that precarious, and if it is, they shouldn’t be in the business in the first place.

Not all landlords are intentional landlords with lots of properties. I used to offer 12 months contracts with an option to break contract after 6 months. This benefitted many tenants who were contractors and moved for temporary work. Im now on my last tenant. Lots of blame for landlords from people who have never been one.