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To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?

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Helhigh · Yesterday 07:07

Well I’m not a fan of Angela Rayner and have never voted labour but Pearsons rant in the telegraph yesterday was half assumptions that Rayner must have been a bully who thumped classmates for doing their homework and distracted the class by talking about how many boys she shagged.
And of course reading books and having a child at 16 is mutually exclusive.
I don’t think Rayner has ever said she was like this Pearson has just made a load of assumptions because she was 16 and pregnant.

Anyway it’s behind a pay wall so I had to copy and paste the nasty part:

“I have noticed a tendency among politicians and commentators, particularly the posh ones, to praise Rayner’s flame-haired “authenticity”. That’s because they didn’t go to school with an Angela. Those of us who did know the harm that the Angelas do to kids from poorer homes who want to work hard and do well but whose lessons are permanently disrupted by those who don’t. The Angelas sit in the back row of the class putting on make-up, doing their nails and chatting loudly, throughout readings from the set book, about who they’ve sh---ed. They disdain the teachers who are rather scared of them.
Angelas have sex by the age of 13 (they mock those of us who are saving our virginity for later). Pregnant at 16, they leave school without any qualifications and work behind the till in Mac Fisheries before embarking on a romantic life which features at least two injunctions and a restraining order. By the age of 37, they are grandmothers (as Rayner was).
Believe me, all the kids who want to get on in life breathe an almighty sigh of relief that the Angelas have left school because now they can hand in their homework and try to pass their exams without being ridiculed or thumped by an Angela.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t join in the applause for Angela Rayner’s vibrant “back story” and her ascent to the top of government through militant trade unionism. The working-class kids I admire often came from difficult council-house homes, as Rayner did, but they clung on to education like a life raft. Or they saw a job opportunity and grasped it with both hands. They did that old-fashioned thing called bettering themselves”

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Sherbs12 · Today 09:51

HRTQueen · Today 09:29

as I said I wouldn’t have been surprised this is due to her conduct but apparently this ain’t the case

Rayner is bolshy that she downs not play down, quite the opposite

And ‘bolshy’ is so loaded, isn’t it? Rarely used to describe men or women/girls who aren’t from a working class background.

HRTQueen · Today 09:51

BIossomtoes · Today 09:48

The advice was conflicting. It was clearly not black and white or HMRC wouldn’t be taking so long to unravel it.

It was not conflicting to gain further advice

that’s was ignored

you know of this happened to a Tory MP she would have been shouting from the roof tops and rightly so

BIossomtoes · Today 09:52

pointythings · Today 09:19

A zombie government with a massive, massive majority. I don't think you understand the UK electoral system.

That’s been amply exhibited on this thread alone.

Sherbs12 · Today 09:53

MulberryBrandy · Today 09:39

@Selectivemute But what has this Labour government actually achieved since July 2024?

I am pleased to announce most of us are officially no longer peasants. The feudal system of our overlords has finally been completed. Starmer has seen through what Blair commenced:

Hereditary peers' last hurrah as 700-year-old system abolished - BBC News

Yes! The government have pushed through nine acts this week and the right-wing press are obsessing over Rayner.

To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?
To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?
BIossomtoes · Today 09:54

HRTQueen · Today 09:51

It was not conflicting to gain further advice

that’s was ignored

you know of this happened to a Tory MP she would have been shouting from the roof tops and rightly so

Where’s the shouting from the rooftops about Tice’s tax evasion which The Times suggests could be as much a 20 times more?

Selectivemute · Today 09:54

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HRTQueen · Today 09:54

Sherbs12 · Today 09:51

And ‘bolshy’ is so loaded, isn’t it? Rarely used to describe men or women/girls who aren’t from a working class background.

the word describes her style of politics

yes different terms are used for people from middle class backgrounds with similar personalities obnoxious being one of them

VeneziaJ · Today 09:55

A nasty vicious piece.

BIossomtoes · Today 09:56

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I don’t have “muckers”.

Contrarymary30 · Today 09:57

Tontostitis · Yesterday 07:13

AR plays up to those stereotypes that's how she wants to be seen they are as bad as each other

How ? Please quote anything she's said which plays up to this stereotype .

Sherbs12 · Today 09:58

HRTQueen · Today 09:54

the word describes her style of politics

yes different terms are used for people from middle class backgrounds with similar personalities obnoxious being one of them

Oh, I think anyone can be described as obnoxious.

SkipAd · Today 09:59

Selectivemute · Today 09:11

Life is good!

Tempted to share a timestamped photo of the view I have currently.

It also helps that I am no longer propping up the UK’s welfare state….

I would love to see that photo please. I am really intrigued as to where you’ve ended up.
I am heading somewhere now but look forward to it on my return

HRTQueen · Today 10:00

BIossomtoes · Today 09:54

Where’s the shouting from the rooftops about Tice’s tax evasion which The Times suggests could be as much a 20 times more?

It was from Rayner

that’s the issue she has shown her hypocrisy on something she has called out and made her career on

its not going away this is her own doing

BIossomtoes · Today 10:01

HRTQueen · Today 10:00

It was from Rayner

that’s the issue she has shown her hypocrisy on something she has called out and made her career on

its not going away this is her own doing

Not according to The Times. Her name wasn’t mentioned. Understandably since it was only reported last week.

https://archive.ph/dzAen

Notonthestairs · Today 10:03

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Troika! Jet! where are they now.

TemperanceWest · Today 10:03

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Aw, do you miss her?

Pandora!
I adore ya.
I implore ye.
Don't ignore me.

S.Mute via A.Mole.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:17

5128gap · Today 09:44

Tbh, I don't entirely disagree. I find the terms right and left to be over and erroneously used. I've been called a right wing bigot (for being GC) on the same day as being called a woke lefty (for speaking in support of diversity initiatives aimed at people of colour) so I tend to try to avoid falling into the trap of lazily throwing the terms around based an isolated views and/or with the sole purpose being to insult.
In the case of the quoted post, I'm using the terms in a factual way. The people making attacks on AR support right wing politics and AR is a left wing politician. So I think its reasonable to use these terms. How else to express my opinion on the motivations behind the attack on her?

You’re generalising, which was my point.

I don’t consider myself right wing and I don’t like the woman. I don’t agree with the things that she says and when I’ve listened to her go back and forth in the House of Commons (before she was released from her post) I didn’t like the way that she said it. She talks as though she has a huge chip on her shoulder whilst also enjoying the trappings of the privilege her job now gives her.

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

Selectivemute · Today 10:18

TemperanceWest · Today 10:03

Aw, do you miss her?

Pandora!
I adore ya.
I implore ye.
Don't ignore me.

S.Mute via A.Mole.

LOL!

BIossomtoes · Today 10:22

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

I can think of many things far worse.

CurlewKate · Today 10:23

BIossomtoes · Today 10:22

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

I can think of many things far worse.

Me too!

Smeuse · Today 10:23

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:17

You’re generalising, which was my point.

I don’t consider myself right wing and I don’t like the woman. I don’t agree with the things that she says and when I’ve listened to her go back and forth in the House of Commons (before she was released from her post) I didn’t like the way that she said it. She talks as though she has a huge chip on her shoulder whilst also enjoying the trappings of the privilege her job now gives her.

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

The Workers Right Bill was terrible indeed, people should know their place.

No champagne or enjoying the opera

HRTQueen · Today 10:24

Sherbs12 · Today 09:58

Oh, I think anyone can be described as obnoxious.

It can but I do think it’s a term used more towards middle and upper class when they are being forthright

Selectivemute · Today 10:24

BIossomtoes · Today 10:22

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

I can think of many things far worse.

A Prosecco socialist, perhaps?

5128gap · Today 10:24

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:17

You’re generalising, which was my point.

I don’t consider myself right wing and I don’t like the woman. I don’t agree with the things that she says and when I’ve listened to her go back and forth in the House of Commons (before she was released from her post) I didn’t like the way that she said it. She talks as though she has a huge chip on her shoulder whilst also enjoying the trappings of the privilege her job now gives her.

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

No, I'm not generalising. If I was generalising I'd say that people who don't like AR are right wing. Which as you prove, is not true.
I was specifying about a particular type of attack on a woman. An attack that used rhetoric that is almost exclusively the preserve of people with right wing views, made against a woman who is a left wing politician.
If there are any left wing people out there who would stereotype left wing women as being thick, bullying and sexually precocious children, simply on the basis of their being WC then when they do so in sufficient numbers, I'll rethink my position.

CurlewKate · Today 10:25

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:17

You’re generalising, which was my point.

I don’t consider myself right wing and I don’t like the woman. I don’t agree with the things that she says and when I’ve listened to her go back and forth in the House of Commons (before she was released from her post) I didn’t like the way that she said it. She talks as though she has a huge chip on her shoulder whilst also enjoying the trappings of the privilege her job now gives her.

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Champagne Socialist.

You seem to be suggesting that Rayner is not grateful enough for being granted the privilege of dining with the quality!