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To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?

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Helhigh · Yesterday 07:07

Well I’m not a fan of Angela Rayner and have never voted labour but Pearsons rant in the telegraph yesterday was half assumptions that Rayner must have been a bully who thumped classmates for doing their homework and distracted the class by talking about how many boys she shagged.
And of course reading books and having a child at 16 is mutually exclusive.
I don’t think Rayner has ever said she was like this Pearson has just made a load of assumptions because she was 16 and pregnant.

Anyway it’s behind a pay wall so I had to copy and paste the nasty part:

“I have noticed a tendency among politicians and commentators, particularly the posh ones, to praise Rayner’s flame-haired “authenticity”. That’s because they didn’t go to school with an Angela. Those of us who did know the harm that the Angelas do to kids from poorer homes who want to work hard and do well but whose lessons are permanently disrupted by those who don’t. The Angelas sit in the back row of the class putting on make-up, doing their nails and chatting loudly, throughout readings from the set book, about who they’ve sh---ed. They disdain the teachers who are rather scared of them.
Angelas have sex by the age of 13 (they mock those of us who are saving our virginity for later). Pregnant at 16, they leave school without any qualifications and work behind the till in Mac Fisheries before embarking on a romantic life which features at least two injunctions and a restraining order. By the age of 37, they are grandmothers (as Rayner was).
Believe me, all the kids who want to get on in life breathe an almighty sigh of relief that the Angelas have left school because now they can hand in their homework and try to pass their exams without being ridiculed or thumped by an Angela.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t join in the applause for Angela Rayner’s vibrant “back story” and her ascent to the top of government through militant trade unionism. The working-class kids I admire often came from difficult council-house homes, as Rayner did, but they clung on to education like a life raft. Or they saw a job opportunity and grasped it with both hands. They did that old-fashioned thing called bettering themselves”

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AlcoholicAntibiotic · Yesterday 21:05

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:33

Too kind.

Not at all, but I look a lot better than that abomination. Admittedly, it helps not vaping and not being overweight, and I haven’t been in a dinghy since I was kid (which I rowed myself).

The tattoo is not doing her any favours either.

I assume you made similar comments about Boris Johnson’s looks? Or is it just women that you judge?

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 21:25

AlcoholicAntibiotic · Yesterday 21:05

I assume you made similar comments about Boris Johnson’s looks? Or is it just women that you judge?

I'm imagining that poster as a wizened tax exile sitting in a sunny tax haven praying for the day when Dear Nigel becomes PM and she can return to Blighty.

SwedishEdith · Yesterday 21:38

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 21:25

I'm imagining that poster as a wizened tax exile sitting in a sunny tax haven praying for the day when Dear Nigel becomes PM and she can return to Blighty.

Not sure they're a she.

Smeuse · Yesterday 21:44

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 21:25

I'm imagining that poster as a wizened tax exile sitting in a sunny tax haven praying for the day when Dear Nigel becomes PM and she can return to Blighty.

I doubt they would return, bit like those Brexiteers who live abroad

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:53

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:20

Firstly, I do not agree she has ‘done well’, unless you consider tax evasion (at best, or avoidance, at worst), and noshing off the unions, as desirable skillsets.

Secondly, in Labour’s UK, ‘striving to do well’, as you put it, merely gets you a hefty tax liability for your trouble (which is likely why Rayner tried some fiscal mischief….)

Oh, the irony.

May I ask you : how do you know Rayner at school behaved the way Pearson imagines? What evidence do you have?

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:54

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · Yesterday 19:28

You know that being a woman doesn’t automatically make you a good or bad person, right? Cunts come in both sexes.

I get that some people like her but expecting nobody to criticise her because she had a vagina is ridiculous. Contrary to the beliefs of some people on here, the sisterhood doesn’t exist and never has done.

May I ask you : how do you know Rayner at school behaved the way Pearson imagines? What evidence do you have?

I think sisterhood should and does sometimes exist, but not cover up bad behaviour. I hate Rayner but see no need to make wild claims like Pearson's about her school life which she presumably knows nothing factual about.

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:55

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:25

A timely reminder of the calibre of your potential future PM….

Pure class.

What's so immoral about this picture?

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:55

DailyMaui · Yesterday 21:05

My mum was pregnant at sixteen.

She wasn't dragged up. Yes her parents were poor working class (a brickie and a cleaner) but she was loved and safe.

My dad told her she wouldn't get pregnant the first three times you had sex due to having some kind of virginity protection. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But because of a lack of any sex education she believed him.

My gran and grandad encouraged her to keep the baby - me. She's been an incredible mum. And despite leaving school with nothing she managed to train as a nurse, ran departments at big teaching hospitals and ended up managing a very successful private heart clinic.

My feckless dad who came from a rather posh upper middle class family was a total loser, stole my paltry inheritance and had two further children with different women.

The fucking classism on this thread is infuriating but entirely predictable.

This

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:56

Tontostitis · Yesterday 17:22

Except her behaviour , repeatedly in Parliament andat rally's name calling, verbally abusive foul language gross lack of manners. Then there's the dodgy tax dealings.

May I ask you : how do you know Rayner at school behaved the way Pearson imagines? What evidence do you have?

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:57

Is Alison Pearson working class? The way she writes the article seems to imply she came from a wc background- or not?

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:58

MulberryBrandy · Yesterday 10:40

I stopped reading the Telegraph years ago. What finished me off was a personal attack on a female MP who brought forward a private bill on Page 3 topless models. The 'article' was all about the MPs anatomy, etc, you can imagine.

Who was the MP?

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:59

Whyarepeople · Yesterday 09:52

Apart from anything, the article is just bad journalism. No journalist would have written something like that in the 90s - they would be ashamed to so obviously show off their pettiness. It's total nonsense based entirely on prejudice.

Not in the 90s? Maybe not in a broadsheet...

mumofoneAloneandwell · Yesterday 21:59

What a vile commentator

Carla786 · Yesterday 22:02

Clafoutie · Yesterday 10:11

How can this be considered journalism when there is no evidence or source presented to show that Angela Rayner fitted this stereotype? We could all just spout our various opinions in the press and be paid for it, if this is what now passes for journalism.

To be fair that's essentially what a lot of opinion journalism is... Sarah Vine, Jan Moir, Zoe Williams as well as better ones. Before that, people like Lynda Lee-Potter and Jean Rook.

MulberryBrandy · Yesterday 22:03

Carla786 · Yesterday 21:58

Who was the MP?

This was Clare Short - she went on to be International Development Secretary in the Blair government.

Carla786 · Yesterday 22:03

DampSquad · Yesterday 09:20

There used to be some really good journalism in it, leaving it's political leanings out of the equation. Like so many broadsheets the standards have really gone downhill.

This. At least they exposed Partygate, there have been other good articles.. but these...

Carla786 · Yesterday 22:06

MulberryBrandy · Yesterday 22:03

This was Clare Short - she went on to be International Development Secretary in the Blair government.

Oh I see, thank you..so this was pre-2000s? I think the Telegraph has moved on somewhat since then : eg. Early 2000s they'd have articles from Roger Scruton etc saying homosexuality was immoral, now they're supportive. There's clearly still a lot of grimness though.
This is why I'm surprised some think it was better in the 90s : if anything it was probably worse as sexism was more accepted.

Also odd that a supposedly socially conservative paper would defend page 3...

Carla786 · Yesterday 22:08

VaxMerstappen · Yesterday 09:08

Feels similar to the 'not all men' thing, only this time it's 'not all teen mums'.

Yes, not everyone is like that. But I dare say there are many. I certainly remember from my school there were several girls who fitted that description, and I imagine it's something most people can relate to from their school days, too. Every school has the geeky types, the sporty types, the class clowns (probably Boris Johnson to carry on the anology), and the ones who fall pregnant early and want everyone to know about their...ahem...extracurricular activities...

May I ask you : how do you know Rayner at school behaved the way Pearson imagines? What evidence do you have?

Carla786 · Yesterday 22:10

5128gap · Yesterday 09:15

Except the stereotyping of BJ was a stereotype of an adult man. Which even if accepted would not place him in danger.
This person has not restricted herself to stereotyping the adult AR, she has stereotyped WC female children. She has explicitly linked a demographic of girl children with being sexually precocious and obsessed with 'shagging'. This is dangerous rhetoric.
We really shouldn't lose sight of that in the midst of the other stereotypes, such as disinterest and alienation from education, which may have some basis in fact, and need to be addressed with the same zeal we seem to be applying to WC boys now it suits us; rather than using them to insult and demean children.

Yeah, it's worth remembering the abused girls of Rotherham and Rochdale who the Telegraph defends themselves suffered from claims they were making 'lifestyle choices'.

DeathByKPI · Yesterday 22:34

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · Yesterday 19:44

Politicians and journos are all the scum of the earth and deserve each other - none of them would know the truth if it hit them in the face. So no I don’t like either of them.

You didn’t answer my question. Quite the politician yourself!

LetsBeWellBehaved · Yesterday 22:40

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:33

Too kind.

Not at all, but I look a lot better than that abomination. Admittedly, it helps not vaping and not being overweight, and I haven’t been in a dinghy since I was kid (which I rowed myself).

The tattoo is not doing her any favours either.

Why so hateful? Are you the journo? Someone sent you the thread then?

Midnights68 · Yesterday 22:43

It’s an awful article, but Allison Pearson is a pathetic rent-a-gob who went bankrupt owing money to HMRC. And the Telegraph is a pseudo-intellectual rag (arguably worse than the Mail).

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · Yesterday 22:46

DeathByKPI · Yesterday 22:34

You didn’t answer my question. Quite the politician yourself!

I wasn’t aware you had asked one

DeathByKPI · Yesterday 22:53

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · Yesterday 22:46

I wasn’t aware you had asked one

Odd. I asked you this twice. With a question mark, and a description of it being a question.

Do you think it’s ok to make up lies about her childhood and then vilify her for that? Simple question.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · Yesterday 22:54

DeathByKPI · Yesterday 22:53

Odd. I asked you this twice. With a question mark, and a description of it being a question.

Do you think it’s ok to make up lies about her childhood and then vilify her for that? Simple question.

Yes. HTH.

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