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To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?

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Helhigh · Yesterday 07:07

Well I’m not a fan of Angela Rayner and have never voted labour but Pearsons rant in the telegraph yesterday was half assumptions that Rayner must have been a bully who thumped classmates for doing their homework and distracted the class by talking about how many boys she shagged.
And of course reading books and having a child at 16 is mutually exclusive.
I don’t think Rayner has ever said she was like this Pearson has just made a load of assumptions because she was 16 and pregnant.

Anyway it’s behind a pay wall so I had to copy and paste the nasty part:

“I have noticed a tendency among politicians and commentators, particularly the posh ones, to praise Rayner’s flame-haired “authenticity”. That’s because they didn’t go to school with an Angela. Those of us who did know the harm that the Angelas do to kids from poorer homes who want to work hard and do well but whose lessons are permanently disrupted by those who don’t. The Angelas sit in the back row of the class putting on make-up, doing their nails and chatting loudly, throughout readings from the set book, about who they’ve sh---ed. They disdain the teachers who are rather scared of them.
Angelas have sex by the age of 13 (they mock those of us who are saving our virginity for later). Pregnant at 16, they leave school without any qualifications and work behind the till in Mac Fisheries before embarking on a romantic life which features at least two injunctions and a restraining order. By the age of 37, they are grandmothers (as Rayner was).
Believe me, all the kids who want to get on in life breathe an almighty sigh of relief that the Angelas have left school because now they can hand in their homework and try to pass their exams without being ridiculed or thumped by an Angela.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t join in the applause for Angela Rayner’s vibrant “back story” and her ascent to the top of government through militant trade unionism. The working-class kids I admire often came from difficult council-house homes, as Rayner did, but they clung on to education like a life raft. Or they saw a job opportunity and grasped it with both hands. They did that old-fashioned thing called bettering themselves”

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Helhigh · Yesterday 20:12

Iceandfire92 · Yesterday 20:01

You can bet that I could not have cared less about their miserable home lives. I truly wished them ill. I was so terrified of them that I bunked off to avoid them. My grades suffered and I truly believe their treatment of me contributed to my lifelong anxiety issues. Their male counterparts were just as bad, I recall one of them undoing my bra through my shirt. The teachers hardly noticed and did nothing. I think they were also intimidated by them.

What’s this got to do with Angela and girls who were 16 and pregnant in general? We have no evidence Angela was like that in fact quite the opposite as per the comment above yours. I was also 16 and pregnant and very shy and timid. Most of the worst bullies from my school still haven’t even had children

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SkipAd · Yesterday 20:13

Smeuse · Yesterday 20:10

Angela Rayner has done very well, how dare she.

People should strive to do well, just not Angela Rayner.

Horrible thread, but expected.

what is horrible about this thread?

Smeuse · Yesterday 20:18

SkipAd · Yesterday 20:13

what is horrible about this thread?

The attitude towards young girls of posters who agree with Alison Pearson

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:20

Smeuse · Yesterday 20:10

Angela Rayner has done very well, how dare she.

People should strive to do well, just not Angela Rayner.

Horrible thread, but expected.

Firstly, I do not agree she has ‘done well’, unless you consider tax evasion (at best, or avoidance, at worst), and noshing off the unions, as desirable skillsets.

Secondly, in Labour’s UK, ‘striving to do well’, as you put it, merely gets you a hefty tax liability for your trouble (which is likely why Rayner tried some fiscal mischief….)

Oh, the irony.

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:25

A timely reminder of the calibre of your potential future PM….

Pure class.

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To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?
Smeuse · Yesterday 20:25

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:20

Firstly, I do not agree she has ‘done well’, unless you consider tax evasion (at best, or avoidance, at worst), and noshing off the unions, as desirable skillsets.

Secondly, in Labour’s UK, ‘striving to do well’, as you put it, merely gets you a hefty tax liability for your trouble (which is likely why Rayner tried some fiscal mischief….)

Oh, the irony.

Indeed, oh the irony

She should have stayed in her box, non?

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:26

Smeuse · Yesterday 20:25

Indeed, oh the irony

She should have stayed in her box, non?

If you say so.

SkipAd · Yesterday 20:26

Smeuse · Yesterday 20:18

The attitude towards young girls of posters who agree with Alison Pearson

Sorry, read that to mean the whole thread was horrible. I see you meant that you think some posters on the thread are horrible

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:28

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:25

A timely reminder of the calibre of your potential future PM….

Pure class.

I am sure you look very classy in all your holiday snaps.

pointythings · Yesterday 20:29

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:25

A timely reminder of the calibre of your potential future PM….

Pure class.

Woman has fun kayaking on holiday. Oh what a dreadul image. And you've tagged it sensitive too! 😂😂😂😂

peachgreen · Yesterday 20:31

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · Yesterday 20:01

Seriously? So what are you going to do to show you don’t tolerate it?

As for feminism. AR fawned over the trans lobby so I would argue that she isn’t a feminist given that she doesn’t give a shit about the rights of women and girls.

I’ve already emailed the Telegraph with a complaint.

Again, anyone who isn’t criticising the blatant misogyny in this article has absolutely no business banging on about “the rights of women and girls”.

Smeuse · Yesterday 20:32

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:28

I am sure you look very classy in all your holiday snaps.

I am sure Angela Rayner would happily give those posters the Andrea Jenkyns salute.

WildGarden · Yesterday 20:33

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:20

Firstly, I do not agree she has ‘done well’, unless you consider tax evasion (at best, or avoidance, at worst), and noshing off the unions, as desirable skillsets.

Secondly, in Labour’s UK, ‘striving to do well’, as you put it, merely gets you a hefty tax liability for your trouble (which is likely why Rayner tried some fiscal mischief….)

Oh, the irony.

You seem really invested in this for someone who isn't a tax resident in the UK.

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:33

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:28

I am sure you look very classy in all your holiday snaps.

Too kind.

Not at all, but I look a lot better than that abomination. Admittedly, it helps not vaping and not being overweight, and I haven’t been in a dinghy since I was kid (which I rowed myself).

The tattoo is not doing her any favours either.

WildGarden · Yesterday 20:34

I can't be the only one who wishes she would select to be mute now.

Firetreev · Yesterday 20:36

Allison Pearson is a vile woman, and The Telegraph hasn't been a serious paper for a long time. It's a rag for those with a slightly higher level of reading comprehension than your average Daily Mail reader.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:38

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:33

Too kind.

Not at all, but I look a lot better than that abomination. Admittedly, it helps not vaping and not being overweight, and I haven’t been in a dinghy since I was kid (which I rowed myself).

The tattoo is not doing her any favours either.

College Life Lol GIF

I read your posts and can't help but see the author as 👆

SkipAd · Yesterday 20:40

WildGarden · Yesterday 20:34

I can't be the only one who wishes she would select to be mute now.

Brilliant, and no, you’re not

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:47

The UK currently has the highest bond yields in the G7 with gilts yielding much more than peer group nations and higher than when Liz Truss supposedly ‘crashed the economy’.

The bond market smells blood in the water. Sadly that blood is yours as well as the Labour Party’s.

The dyscalculic Rayner would prove catastrophic for the UK.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:53

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:47

The UK currently has the highest bond yields in the G7 with gilts yielding much more than peer group nations and higher than when Liz Truss supposedly ‘crashed the economy’.

The bond market smells blood in the water. Sadly that blood is yours as well as the Labour Party’s.

The dyscalculic Rayner would prove catastrophic for the UK.

And this has precisely what to do with Pearson’s disgusting rant about Rayner?

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 20:54

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:33

Too kind.

Not at all, but I look a lot better than that abomination. Admittedly, it helps not vaping and not being overweight, and I haven’t been in a dinghy since I was kid (which I rowed myself).

The tattoo is not doing her any favours either.

WTAF is the matter with you? You actually think that you are more classy than Angela Rayner with the hideous bile that you are spewing on this thread?

TheFallenMadonna · Yesterday 20:55

Misogynistic, classist stereotyping by Allison Pearson. I suppose she has a professional motive for offering an elaborate, unevidenced stereotyping of a woman based on something that most people interested in safeguarding would identify as evidence of vulnerability. I'm not sure of the motives of some posters on here.

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:56

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:53

And this has precisely what to do with Pearson’s disgusting rant about Rayner?

Precisely everything - reread the article.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:58

Selectivemute · Yesterday 20:56

Precisely everything - reread the article.

Once was more than enough.

DailyMaui · Yesterday 21:05

PollyBell · Yesterday 08:07

Stereotypes exist because this exists, there are areas of the country where 16 is old to be a parent, it exists

People can wish away that it happens but when children get dragged up not brought up it happens because it is a generational cycle in some cases

My mum was pregnant at sixteen.

She wasn't dragged up. Yes her parents were poor working class (a brickie and a cleaner) but she was loved and safe.

My dad told her she wouldn't get pregnant the first three times you had sex due to having some kind of virginity protection. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But because of a lack of any sex education she believed him.

My gran and grandad encouraged her to keep the baby - me. She's been an incredible mum. And despite leaving school with nothing she managed to train as a nurse, ran departments at big teaching hospitals and ended up managing a very successful private heart clinic.

My feckless dad who came from a rather posh upper middle class family was a total loser, stole my paltry inheritance and had two further children with different women.

The fucking classism on this thread is infuriating but entirely predictable.

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