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To think saving on Universal Credit is extremely difficult?

542 replies

FirmGreyMember · Yesterday 20:42

It feels like Universal Credit doesn’t really leave much room for saving once basic living costs are covered. I know in theory people say to put even small amounts aside but in practice it seems very difficult when most of the money goes on essentials.

AIBU to think there’s very little opportunity to build savings on UC?

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TableTopTree · Yesterday 23:02

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 23:00

Wow.

Genuinely gobsmacked that you are standing by that comment.

No one chooses to become disabled, and yet you resent them spending SIX POUNDS a month to watch TV?! REALLY?!

They chose not to prioritise protecting themselves and their family though.

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 23:03

Northermcharn · Yesterday 22:51

I don't drink. It costs too much.

Budget better then.

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 23:03

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 23:02

Difference is, you can leave the house without help.

What has that to do with Netflix?

youalright · Yesterday 23:03

TableTopTree · Yesterday 22:58

If you're on benefits, you've already dropped off the edge, you're not contributing to society.

I'm just about happy with the idea of my taxes paying for the bare minimum of sustistance for you, but do you really think I shoud be funding your savings?

Would you knock on your neighbour's door and ask them for £50 to add to your savings?

Because that's exactly what you're expecting.

Not being on benefits doesn't automatically make you a net contributor. If you are a net recipient your not helping much either.

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 23:03

TableTopTree · Yesterday 23:01

Why didn't your critical illness insurance policy, or your income protection policy pay out when you claimed on it due to your disability?

Nobody's saying people living with disabilities can't have Netflix, just the disabled people who, for whatever reason, chose to just chance it without such a policy.

Your neighbour's takes shouldn't be paying for you to have Netflix FFS.

My son didnt have those policies because it was being born when he received the brain injury that led to his disability.

youalright · Yesterday 23:03

TableTopTree · Yesterday 23:01

Why didn't your critical illness insurance policy, or your income protection policy pay out when you claimed on it due to your disability?

Nobody's saying people living with disabilities can't have Netflix, just the disabled people who, for whatever reason, chose to just chance it without such a policy.

Your neighbour's takes shouldn't be paying for you to have Netflix FFS.

Because my condition is congenital

TableTopTree · Yesterday 23:04

youalright · Yesterday 23:03

Not being on benefits doesn't automatically make you a net contributor. If you are a net recipient your not helping much either.

Being on benefits automatically confirms that that you are not paying your way.

To expect to be able to save???

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 23:04

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 23:03

What has that to do with Netflix?

You have the chance to find something else to do, a disabled person doesnt.

Northermcharn · Yesterday 23:05

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 23:03

Budget better then.

I didn't say I couldn't afford it. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference

youalright · Yesterday 23:05

TableTopTree · Yesterday 23:04

Being on benefits automatically confirms that that you are not paying your way.

To expect to be able to save???

I have paid tax and ni for over 20 years

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · Yesterday 23:05

crassida · Yesterday 21:48

Don’t have children if you can’t afford it

So I should have foreseen that my one child was going to be autistic, that a global pandemic was going to put DH out of a job and, as DS problems became more apparent and he started refusing to go to school, he was going to be unable to get another job but would have to earn what he could from turning his hobby into a job. Then when we were just about managing I got made redundant and so far have only been able to get part-time work.

Though don't worry, my redundancy payment means we're not eligible for UC. But judge away because we do get DLA and CA and clearly I should have planned my life better.

Sensiblesal · Yesterday 23:05

Fluffordirt · Yesterday 22:58

If your only income is from the taxpayer, no, you shouldn’t have Netflix. The taxpayer shouldn’t be paying for disabled people to have Netflix. It’s a waste of money.

You can’t really think this?

I’d rather people budgeted £6 for netflix over having to waste £150 quid or whatever on a tv licence.

do you see how wrong you are here. Surely the government should mandate netflix and save £100 a year per disabled person.

you must be trolling cos no one seriously thinks like this. I can’t believe people begrudge people so much. I mean I said its not meant to be there to amass savings but my god, people still need a basic standard of living. We don’t have workhouses anymore

WanderingWellies · Yesterday 23:06

Fluffordirt · Yesterday 20:47

It’s supposed to tide you over until you get working again. If you’ve got enough to save then you’re being given too much.

So if someone is on benefits they shouldn’t be able to put a small amount aside for things like school uniform? Or birthday/Xmas presents? I doubt the OP is talking about trying to save tens of thousands just to have it in the bank, not least because that would actually make them ineligible for UC.

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 23:06

Fluffordirt · Yesterday 22:55

This is what winds me up. I work in the area of public spending. There is ZERO leeway in the money we have. We desperately need to stop the national debt increasingly endlessly, and yet we have people on benefits with Netflix. If you have enough to get Netflix then you are receiving more in benefits than you need and the government needs to address this excess spending. Anything they can save will put off the point at which this country drowns in the sea of welfare payments being chucked around. I can’t believe so many posters don’t understand this. How can you be so economically illiterate?

Maybe you missed my informative post, with linked source, explaining how both percentage of GDP and percentage of government income spent on benefits including pensions have been completely stable since 2013 (and previously but I cba to dig out the stats) AND are predicted to remain so until the end of the decade (which is as far as those particular predictions go).

If you'd seen it you wouldn't be indulging in silly hyperbole, would you?

youalright · Yesterday 23:07

Northermcharn · Yesterday 23:05

I didn't say I couldn't afford it. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference

Why does everyone one on here go on about people not on benefits not being able to afford things then as soon as their questioned its oh well I can afford it, its others who can't. Well who are these others.

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 23:07

Northermcharn · Yesterday 23:05

I didn't say I couldn't afford it. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference

Says the person who doesn't even know there is a difference between HMRC and the DWP.

Northermcharn · Yesterday 23:08

youalright · Yesterday 23:07

Why does everyone one on here go on about people not on benefits not being able to afford things then as soon as their questioned its oh well I can afford it, its others who can't. Well who are these others.

Eh?

Northermcharn · Yesterday 23:09

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 23:07

Says the person who doesn't even know there is a difference between HMRC and the DWP.

😂😂

youalright · Yesterday 23:11

Well im off to bed because some of us scroungers have work tomorrow. Goodnight to the people on here who I like i hope your pillow is nice and cold so you sleep well. Im not saying goodnight to the people I don't like on here and I hope your pillows are to warm. Night xx

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 23:13

To be fair, fun as it is taking the mickey out of some of the posters here, when you're reading that disabled people shouldn't be able to watch TV, you've got to accept that technology has got the better of us and we're arguing against non-human entities. At which point, how much fun is it any more?

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · Yesterday 23:14

TableTopTree · Yesterday 22:58

If you're on benefits, you've already dropped off the edge, you're not contributing to society.

I'm just about happy with the idea of my taxes paying for the bare minimum of sustistance for you, but do you really think I shoud be funding your savings?

Would you knock on your neighbour's door and ask them for £50 to add to your savings?

Because that's exactly what you're expecting.

That's not true though is it. Plenty of working people are also on benefits, people who aren't working may also be contributing in other ways, especially if your talking about contributions to 'society' which is far wider than just financial.

There are also far more people looking for work than there are jobs available, so it's not currently possible for everyone to work.

PenelopePinkerton · Yesterday 23:14

FirmGreyMember · Yesterday 22:20

If you mean benefits being designed to cover basics only, perhaps. My point is that having no realistic room to build even a tiny emergency buffer can leave people permanently financially vulnerable.

UC should be a temporary measure so its shouldn’t leave people permanently vulnerable.

WanderingWellies · Yesterday 23:16

bigfacthunter · Yesterday 22:28

But they’re not really a safety net anymore are they? They have become the backbone of an economy where a living wage doesnt actually cover the cost of living. Almost half of UC claimants are in work.

for example a single parent working full time in Tesco will qualify for a universal credit top up because Tesco aren’t paying enough for them to eat, have their kid in childcare and keep a roof over their head. So the government tops up this shit wage to make it just about manageable, meanwhile Tesco reports profits of over 3 billion a year, not to mention all the grossly inflated salaries of their senior staff.

Benefits are no longer a stop gap. They are totally essential long term support for a huge amount of people and if that makes you angry direct that anger towards a failing government, unfettered private rents and big corporations paying criminally low wages.

I’m a single parent of 2 working full time for the government (earning roughly the national average salary), who don’t pay me enough so have to top up my income via Universal Credit. It’s not just workers on the minimum wage that require top ups. Our economy is screwed.

TableTopTree · Yesterday 23:17

youalright · Yesterday 23:05

I have paid tax and ni for over 20 years

With respect, if you had a congenital condition, This would not have been possible.

Your Bipolar and depression are not congenital, and would have been straightforward risks that you could have insured for.

Tumbleweed101 · Yesterday 23:20

UC by itself, without additions such as children or health issues is next to nothing. It may help with rent (ie given straight to the landlord) and council tax but the personal allowance is about £400 a month for everything else as a single person. That isn't enough to pay the bills let alone save up with the cost of living rising as quickly as it is.