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AIBU to end a tenancy so my niece can live there?

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SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 14:12

We have a house that we rent out to a family with 2 children who have been in the house for about 7 years. The house is in the same city that our niece is at university in.

Just after Xmas, my niece asked us if she could live in the house for her second and third year at uni, (possibly longer) as the houses she had looked at weren’t very nice and she can’t stay in halls.

After speaking to my husband, we decided to say yes and we gave our tenants a section 21 notice in February. Our tenants were/are not happy and have been advised to stay in the house by the council. We thought that may happen which is why we served the notice in February despite my niece not needing the house until September. We were also aware of the new rules coming in soon which would make it harder to end a tenancy.

Since finding out that we have ended the tenancy for our current tenants, my brother and his wife (not nieces parents) have told us that we are ‘typical arsehole landlords’ for ‘kicking out a family’. They think our niece, also their niece is selfish for asking, that she could have found somewhere herself and that we should have put our tenants first as they have been our tenants for quite a long time and they have children. My brother and his wife rent with their children, so obviously that may play a part in their feelings on this. I feel upset they would say these things as I think it’s normal to put your own family first. My other brother and his wife who are parents of my niece are very annoyed at our other brother and his wife.

Would you have done the same as we have or would you have put the tenants first and said no to your niece? I do have sympathy for my tenants, they’re a nice family and have been good tenants, but obviously we love our niece and to us, she comes first.

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Chatsbots · Yesterday 15:50

Another landlord here and I totally agree it's a complete dick move.

You'll be lucky to get them out by September and that will be karma.

Tw@ts like you are why people abuse landlords and say it's typical landlord behaviour. I became a landlord because of the tw@t landlords I had as a student. But I'm selling up now because it's so toxic and I'm fed up of being lumped in with assholes.

You do know the regulations are changing and if you've had a good family in, it was best to keep them?

At her age, she is much better off sharing too.

Hankunamatata · Yesterday 15:50

Your insane. Neice could have easily found a one bed flat or something and helped her financially

Therescathairinmybath · Yesterday 15:50

SqueakyDinosaur · Yesterday 15:42

@SunnyDaysAndCoolNights I asked upthread, but maybe you missed it, is there a reason you can't/don't want to/won't pursue any other avenues to house your niece? Several posters have suggested you could help her financially to rent privately somewhere smaller, since you say that money's not the issue. Is that off the table? It seems like it would be worth considering, to me at least.

I agree with this. I don’t think I could sleep at night knowing I’d made a family with children homeless. You could have helped your niece find somewhere else to rent rather than do something so extreme.

TheSquareMile · Yesterday 15:51

She may actually be eligible for 2nd year accommodation through the University, as one of the special exemptions. I wonder whether she asked Accommodation about her options.

That would be better for her in the long run.

It sounds as though evenings and weekends spent alone in an empty house won't stand her in good stead as far as navigating the world outside the University is concerned.

There is a possibility that she will become more isolated and find it difficult to find a job after University.

FeistyFrankie · Yesterday 15:51

ThePaleDreamer · Yesterday 15:43

1 student.

Not many - OP clarified this earlier

So what? The house won't be looked after in the same way.

KidsDoBetter · Yesterday 15:51

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · Yesterday 15:50

On the chance this isn't rage bait, it's not to late to change your mind you know, OP. You could apologise to the tenants and let them carry on living in their home. Maybe even give them a few months off the rent to compensate for the stress you've caused. You could be a decent person still.

Hear hear. Again, as a landlord

Iocanepowder · Yesterday 15:52

So what is the plan op, are you going to house your niece until she can afford to live somewhere else without sharing??

usedtobeaylis · Yesterday 15:52

TheSecretAgent1 · Yesterday 15:49

YABU I had this happen to me once and it ruined my life and sent me into a depression. People don't comprehend how difficult it is to set up your life somewhere only to be turfed out like you're nothing just to make your landlord's life easier. It's very dehumanizing

It's awful. People don't seem to understand the difference between moving because you choose to and moving because you're forced into it. It's destabilising at best.

KeepPumping · Yesterday 15:53

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 15:36

To see if people would hold the same view as my brother and his wife or not. I’ve spoken to other family, friends and work colleagues and most say they would feel awful doing it, but they would put their loved ones first. Some said they couldn’t have done it. I’m upset at what my brother has said but I guess he feels as strongly as many on here do. I still see no reason for name calling though. I’m helping my niece, which unfortunately has a down side, but I’m hardly doing it for huge personal gain so I don’t think I deserve name calling.

If the family decided to stay, even under the old rules, how long would a court take to evict them with young children?

BigYellowBus · Yesterday 15:54

Why did you bother to ask since all you are looking for is justification for your vile behaviour?

Jk987 · Yesterday 15:54

Does your niece plan to live there alone or have flatmates? If alone, she surely wont be able to afford the going rate for the house and bills by herself so you’ll be out of pocket. She’ll only need the house for a year or 2 then you’ll need a new reliable tenant…
Student accommodation isn’t always brilliant, that’s life and part of the experience in my book. Meeting and living with a great set of friends is more important that the quality of the accommodation at that stage in your life.

Cheesipuff · Yesterday 15:54

The small landlords are giving up, understandably - that means big corporate often foreign owned businesses moving in - wanting a fair income for their shareholders - no negotiating or exceptions made there

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MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · Yesterday 15:54

KidsDoBetter · Yesterday 15:48

"Die of shame for having a landlord in the family" - do cop on you eeejit 😂

If you think the UK could operate without private landlords you are clearly more daft than your post suggests. The government struggles to provide enough social housing as it is. There are many decent landlords - just as there are decent caravan dwellers and ones who park where they like and throw excrement and waste all over Downs...

I just said that in relation to my niece. You don't know her. She's young, and going through her hippie commie stage, bless her.

She's totally die of the shame!

durdledoris · Yesterday 15:54

That poor family.

Iocanepowder · Yesterday 15:55

What is the current set up in her halls? Does she have her own room and then share a kitchen etc?

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 15:55

WallaceinAnderland · Yesterday 15:44

To see if people would hold the same view as my brother and his wife or not. I’ve spoken to other family, friends and work colleagues and most say they would feel awful doing it, but they would put their loved ones first. Some said they couldn’t have done it.

Most people would be too polite to tell you to your face what they really think OP. Now that you know 90% of posters agree with your brother, does that change your own thoughts at all, even if not your actions?

No, because from the start I have said I have sympathy for the tenants but that I will put my niece first. It’s not as if in my first post I said I have found it easy or that it’s a decision I enjoyed making. I already agreed that it’s awful for the tenants but I do still feel that my niece has to come first as she is my family and needs help.

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Witchonenowbob · Yesterday 15:55

It’ll cause nothing but issues! You have created this though!

TheJoyousHiker · Yesterday 15:55

I’d ‘say your niece could have found somewhere suited to her needs but her family didn’t want to or couldn’t afford the rent. You could have made up the rent shortfall for somewhere else suitable, given you are happy to rent for a reduced amount.

What you did is shitty, I’m a landlord myself and I wouldn’t have done what you did. Would have been different if the tenants were moving out.

Likeabirdjoyfully · Yesterday 15:55

You must know that the family you are evicting will likely as find it hard or impossible to find a new home whereas your niece is much easier to house, in a studio flat if sharing would not work for her . Of course it is wrong to put her first
just because she happens to be related to you.

BMW6 · Yesterday 15:56

I think it's really awful that a family of 4 are being evicted from a house with at least 2 bedrooms in preference of 1 person living alone. For a couple of years.

What a waste of a resource.

Cheesipuff · Yesterday 15:57

Honestly OP just step back from the thread - all these pearl clutchers - I’m sure they all work with the homeless in their spare time🙄

carrotcakeagain · Yesterday 15:57

This is awful. I'm a landlord too and in no way is this reasonable. There must be other options for your niece, especially if money is available to increase her choices.

WallaceinAnderland · Yesterday 15:57

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 15:55

No, because from the start I have said I have sympathy for the tenants but that I will put my niece first. It’s not as if in my first post I said I have found it easy or that it’s a decision I enjoyed making. I already agreed that it’s awful for the tenants but I do still feel that my niece has to come first as she is my family and needs help.

Why not help another way that doesn't involve evicting a family though?

loislovesstewie · Yesterday 15:58

Cheesipuff · Yesterday 15:57

Honestly OP just step back from the thread - all these pearl clutchers - I’m sure they all work with the homeless in their spare time🙄

I was a homeless officer for 25 years.

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