AIBU to rethink things over DH's stag weekend Reform shirt?

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DH is on his stag weekend and I’ve just been sent a photo of his night one outfit for their city centre bar crawl.

He’s in a full football kit with a blue Reform shirt complete with ‘Farage 10’ on the back.

AIBU to consider LTB?!

I think being blind to what is going on in this country and the world is depressing.

You asked:

I just wonder ** if you have ever had a constructive conversation with someone "in a full football kit with a blue Reform shirt complete with ‘Farage 10’ on the back" and " who is voting Reform and has been very vocal about that!"?

My apologies for not responding, I took this to be a facetious rather than literal comment.

However, I can confirm that I have never had a discussion with 'with someone "in a full football kit with a blue Reform shirt complete with ‘Farage 10’ on the back" and " who is voting Reform and has been very vocal about that!".

This is a very specific requirement. I don't think I even know anyone who owns a football kit, and I'm not in the habit of talking to men on stag parties either.

Update - my free 30 minutes with the shit hot lawyer is booked for Monday!

What the hell? This is a windup surely.

I have had those conversations. Not with a giant toddler in a football kit mind, but with people who were completely opposed to my views (one of the beauties of having real local pubs full of diverse people). I had loads of great conversations with people who voted to leave during Brexit and not only widened my understanding, and saw them rethink some of their points, but also reached respectful conclusions even when we agreed to disagree and get another pint in.

UGH.

Hilarious. Not

Not to derail a joke post, but a lot of the problems we have around division stem from this idea that we have to 'educate' someone. It is patronising and infantilising. The only way you will have a productive conversation with someone who is idealogically opposed to you is if you are willing to enter it as equals, with an open mind, and willing to acknowledge your own knowledge gaps and biases. For instance during a debate with a Brexit voter I had to acknowledge I may have felt differently if it had been led by a socialist government who I trusted to enshrine some core human rights. I also had to acknowledge I had a bias towards the EU because I had benefitted from an Erasmus year, and been involved in an EU funded project, whereas the person I spoke to hadn't and in fact would never have had the same opportunities to do so as I did, so those points were irrelevant to them. Compromise is key, not 'education'.

Did you two not discuss politics before agreeing marriage ?

My husband and I are very different politically - so it isn’t a requirement to see eye to eye on everything. You’ll need to find other things to talk about though if you’re easily offended.

Why do you need a lawyer if you’re not actually married yet?

None of this is real. OP is just an incredibly sad and lonely individual who thinks they’re funny.

Surely the only way in a democracy is for each of us to draw our own lines about what we consider acceptable and what we don't? Presumably you are not suggesting that we should all tolerate and appreciate every single opinion that any human being might ever express, no matter how hateful or dangerous, simply because deciding not to tolerate any opinion would require a degree of subjective judgement? Do you want to live in a society where nobody is at liberty to call out right and wrong at all?

You have already acknowledged above that some views "clearly don't deserve respect", and yet earlier on this thread, you were arguing that I should "tolerate and appreciate" views which I consider to be morally repugnant. How exactly do you show tolerance and appreciation of views which you find morally repugnant and unworthy of respect, and do you not worry about unintentionally validating those unacceptable views by pretending that they are as reasonable as any other opinion?

You suggest trying to understand and challenge views which you find morally objectionable, but I have personally spent decades doing that, and I've reached the conclusion that it's a waste of time. It simply doesn't work. People want you to validate their obnoxious views by listening to them respectfully and pretending that they are reasonable, but they are not actually interested in engaging in meaningful debate about them or accepting corrections of dis/misinformation etc. So I just can't be arsed any more. Once people have been radicalised by the far right or fundamentalist Islam or whatever, there is no point in arguing with them - unless perhaps you have specialist training in deradicalisation techniques - it's just a waste of energy.

Second post I’ve read this morning thinking, this can’t be true. 🤷🏼‍♀️

It is not for me to tell anyone else how to vote. Lots of people, including myself, feel politically homeless. But I do not accept that a "decent person" would turn to the far right for a solution, unless they were lacking in critical thinking skills and unable to understand the consequences of their actions.

People can vote for whomever they want, but yeah, that would give me the ick. Imagine sexy time with a man in a Reform shirt 😂😂😂

Certainly not your sense of humour.

Deleted as I have doubts about the o.ps replies

Crazy that you actually thought i was serious!

Good. We are all entitled to one vote each. We shouldnt judge as a result. I dont agree with the 9 million who voted this tit in power but accept thats what happened.

if you cant get past his freedome to choose, don’t marry him, if you cant realise how ridiculous you sound then marry him.

I would dump him for giving a moment's consideration to the feeble 'controlled opposition' of Farage & his Tory-lite Reform UK. He supports Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain party or he is toast 🖕🏾

I think though that many people are planning on voting reform. I think the horrendous rape of that young woman by asylum seekers this week on top of the brutal murder of the poor girl working in the asylum centre and the grooming gang apologists some people feel that they need to make a stand on the safety of women and children in the UK. Too many young men with Neanderthal views! I personally would not vote reform but I understand why some people would do now. We can’t pretend that everything is lovely in La La land as much as you might like. Perhaps the idiocy is the pretence?

Edit. Completely misread that post which I hope was satire.

They would presumably disagree that they had "turned to the far right."

I’d rather shit in my hands and clap than marry a reform voter

Sensible man who clearly cares about his family, community and country - you've picked a good 'un