PIP for Anxiety

[IntelligenceIsFree]

AIBU to clear things up?

The current nasty rhetoric around disabled people at the moment is astounding. Society needs to be reminded that we are ALL one illness or accident away from disability.

Everyone knows someone who is gaming the system, yet the PIP fraud rate is extremely low. The public demonising, does not match the reality.

The hot topic is “anxiety” and how people with “anxiety” are gaming the system, getting “free” cars and robbing tax payers; this is being constantly fed through media, news articles and so on.

This is simply not true. The people spouting this nonsense clearly have no idea how PIP works. Nobody gets PIP without strong medical evidence. Nobody.

Before anyone posts “my neighbour got PIP just by telling lies”. No, they did not. That’s not how it works.

People need to be educated properly on how benefits work, how they are awarded and what the criteria for mobility cars actually is; the cars are not in fact free.

People need to be educated on the fact that there is anxiety, which every human suffers from at some point, and then there are anxiety DISORDERS which are entirely different and can be life changing and debilitating. Hence, the need and entitlement for PIP.

Brenda down the road who feels too anxious to go to Bingo on a Friday night is NOT getting PIP ❌

Mary up the lane who has such severe OCD that she cannot leave her own home for fear that she will die, IS getting PIP .✅

There’s a huge difference.

The current turning on disabled people is shameful and we are living in a country full of hate because Bob (and his Uncle) are annoyed that they are paying tax to “support all of these scroungers”.

Bob (and his Uncle), needs to hope that they never get cancer, or suffer life changing trauma or have an unfortunate accident to avoid being served a huge scrounged humble pie.

I do not suffer from anxiety but as a human, I am pleased we have a system in society to support the most vulnerable people who need it. Life can happen to anyone.

Specifically. You’re mixing up PIP with out of work benefits. You’re trying to make a case for PIP claimants being workshy and it doesn’t fly because PIP doesn’t assess the ability to work, it’s paid solely to support the extra costs of living with a disability, regardless of whether the claimant works or not. Your post accuses me personally of something - to be honest I’m not sure what the accusation is because it makes no sense.

And what kind of employer is going to take on a disabled person in the knowledge that they won’t be able to keep pace with their peers ?

No more ridiculous than someone sitting on a thread spouting how their disability was worse trying to convince strangers who don't care that they were getting benefits instead of working like they should have.
Individuals like this give the system a bad name and why others question it.

Not all work is the same. There are plenty out there you get paid for what you do.
I did data entry and typing when I couldn't commit. I got paid when I logged in and worked. Like everyone else doing those jobs. A lot of people were doing it for extra income after work I did it as my main whenever I could manage.

Not all jobs are identical in expectations and there are so many different jobs out there that chances are there is SOMETHING most people can manage.

Absolutely and in a ideal world everyone who needed it would have a team of mh workers drs behind them helping them long term. And workplaces would be inclusive and flexible but this isn't reality. The reason I was able to eventually leave the house is because everyday my cpn came round gave me my meds and did exposure therapy with me. I was incredibly lucky. If I had been left like many are I'd either be dead or unemployed.

I was told data entry and typing jobs don't really exist any more when I asked about it on a help thread. How recently did you do this work? From what I understand, it's far cheaper getting someone in the third world to do it as you can pay them vastly less. Or just use software that cuts out the need to employ a human.

For the 10 millionth time I am working you can get pip and work it is not an out of work benefit

I still do it around my other job.

Can you share the name of the company or where you find the work?

No. Sorry, that doesn’t fly. The subject of the thread is PIP. It’s literally in the title. It’s not an out of work benefit and you’ve demonstrated many times throughout your posts that you have absolutely no clue why it’s paid and you’ve attacked anyone who disagrees with you. Not the best way to participate in a thread about disability benefits.

Sorry OP but the statement about nobody getting PIP without strong medical evidence is completely false. Many get PIP without providing any further evidence.

Whilst the data may show fraud to be low the chances of being caught are slim. I worked in PIP previously, while many claimants were completely genuine I was astonished at how common lying was and how incapable people make themselves out to be.

After typing and retyping a few times I'm just going to go with:

You and I were talking of different things at the time.
The end.

Yes I do which is why I said mental health is not treated effectively

Think there is a few on here doing the same. Those most defensive often know they're on a good thing. They don't want it taken away.

That was my exact intention what I needed to use my pip for!! To find the 2 years of therapy the NHS could not provide!!

But it was denied! so now...no therapy!

I posted that PIP is not an out of work benefit, it’s nothing to do with the ability to work and doesn’t assess for it. I couldn’t have been clearer. You responded with Oooh so you're confirming it's a handout for both people who literally physically cannot and those who can't be bothered just cuz they say so. Thanks for clarifying

You have no clue what disability benefits are for and are deliberately conflating them with out of work benefits to support your ridiculous narrative that disabled people are workshy. The end.

Or we just understand the realities of being disabled. And understand just because someone can do something doesn't mean others can

Same, awesome effort.

Those who don’t have any supporting medical evidence are usually referred to an assessor for evaluation, so they in fact do end up with medical evidence in the form of their report. If the assessor is doing their job properly they will weed out those people who are trying to claim fraudulently from those who are genuine. I’ve worked within the PIP system since it’s introduction and it’s my experience that those who can’t supply supporting medical evidence have difficulty securing an award because they have difficulty in satisfying the balance of probability factor.

Well if the disabled people who are having a slew of accusations aimed at them don’t defend themselves, who else is going to do it. Judging by the complete lack of understanding of the complexity of disability and ignorance of what PIP is actually paid for, no one here is going to do it.

You know what I think ? I think it’s dawning on you that you thought PIP claimants had to be out of work to claim. Now you know that’s not the case you’ve realised you could have claimed yourself. I can understand the frustration.

Not that it will resonate or mean anything to most people commenting but getting reasonable adjustments is not as easy as people will assume.

For me personally my occupational health report stated that I shouldn't work morning shifts (due to side effects of medication) and that I should have fixed days and not work more than 6 hours shifts.

In reality that means for my manager. She obv can't schedule me for morning shifts, I can't do specific duties during the busiest time, that I can't do more than a 6 hour shift and I need set days. Bur she has to work that around the actual business needs of the shop, that I'm very restricted in what shifts I CAN work and critically ,basically anybody else needing those exact same adjustments.cannot actually have them cos I already have have them.

This was previously an issue,. My GP signed me off for 6 weeks basically saying for to work but with adjustments to my shift pattern. My work initially told me, due to someone else already having a similar/same adjustment, they could not accommodate it and this my fit note with restricted duties would therefore turn into a sick note and I would be basically forced to take 6 weeks sick leave.

Thankfully at the 11th hour they found they could accommodate the adjustments and I was still able to work.

The fact of the matter is many people with disabilities will be defined those adjustments. I was extremely lucky my employer was able to and that in turn had enabled me despite being severely mentally ill to remain employed the past 13 years. Bur many others will not be given that chance

Just looked up remote data entry jobs on Indeed and found zero, unless they've changed what they call them or something....

I know 2 people who completely abuse the system - and they now make a living from teaching others how to abuse the system . I also work in a school where there is a big group of parents all fighting to get their kids diagnosed when there is nothing wrong with them so they can claim DLA.... yes there are lots of genuine cases and it is sad that there are so many genuine cases that are told they are not eligible because they don't want to make a fuss. There are alot of people who certainly know how to make the system work in their favour.

No actually I couldn't and wouldn't.