PIP for Anxiety

[IntelligenceIsFree]

AIBU to clear things up?

The current nasty rhetoric around disabled people at the moment is astounding. Society needs to be reminded that we are ALL one illness or accident away from disability.

Everyone knows someone who is gaming the system, yet the PIP fraud rate is extremely low. The public demonising, does not match the reality.

The hot topic is “anxiety” and how people with “anxiety” are gaming the system, getting “free” cars and robbing tax payers; this is being constantly fed through media, news articles and so on.

This is simply not true. The people spouting this nonsense clearly have no idea how PIP works. Nobody gets PIP without strong medical evidence. Nobody.

Before anyone posts “my neighbour got PIP just by telling lies”. No, they did not. That’s not how it works.

People need to be educated properly on how benefits work, how they are awarded and what the criteria for mobility cars actually is; the cars are not in fact free.

People need to be educated on the fact that there is anxiety, which every human suffers from at some point, and then there are anxiety DISORDERS which are entirely different and can be life changing and debilitating. Hence, the need and entitlement for PIP.

Brenda down the road who feels too anxious to go to Bingo on a Friday night is NOT getting PIP ❌

Mary up the lane who has such severe OCD that she cannot leave her own home for fear that she will die, IS getting PIP .✅

There’s a huge difference.

The current turning on disabled people is shameful and we are living in a country full of hate because Bob (and his Uncle) are annoyed that they are paying tax to “support all of these scroungers”.

Bob (and his Uncle), needs to hope that they never get cancer, or suffer life changing trauma or have an unfortunate accident to avoid being served a huge scrounged humble pie.

I do not suffer from anxiety but as a human, I am pleased we have a system in society to support the most vulnerable people who need it. Life can happen to anyone.

If it's one thing people who receive benefits over working have it's a lot of time to defend why they can't work.
They have a lot of time to defend their handouts and livelihood but then say they can't work from home.
Some work from home jobs are way less demanding than arguing on the internet about how they can't work... Surprising turn of events.

I agree that there should be a way to remove the piss takers from the system without affecting the genuine claimants but no government wants to do that - it’s seemingly too hard and easier to reduce eligibility for everyone as a solution. I’m struggling to see how lots of able bodied people are on PIP legitimately if they’re not disabled, and once again, PIP is nothing to do with the ability to work.

We've got nothing else to do disability wrecks your life and takes everything away from you. You spend 99% of your life stuck looking at 4 walls

This argument was posed on another current thread. Because you can string a coherent sentence together to post online doesn’t mean you are capable of working. Disability is a lot more complex and nuanced than that. If it wasn’t, the work capability assessment would be a lot harder to pass.

Like what? What kind of jobs are there for people who can't give their time or energy consistently?

Precisely my thought.
they tell you they work though , it’s other stuff that they can’t do.

I am hesitant how helpful it is for their mental health though to be so invested in fighting strangers on the internet for hours.

I don't think it's that they don't want to I think it's not possible when you look here at competitive disability poster who's disability is the self imposed benchmark. Everyone on it thinks they're worse than the next. Those who shouldn't be on it have technically been able to prove they should be, but really they would be able to find a suitable job if they wanted to work but they don't and they have an excuse not to so they take it.

Very hard to weed out the legitimate from the not when they can provide proof. I mean I have been to a Dr before and told them what's wrong with me what I need and why it's bad and they often just do what's requested.
It's not hard to attend drs and say what's wrong and have them write it on letterhead. As long as it's legitimate and believable they'll do it.
That all helps the case.

And once again you’re conflating claiming disability benefits with the ability to work. PIP is not an out of work benefit and claiming it isn’t dependent on whether or not you can work.

A lot of people don't want to help themselves.
That is the complete opposite of what they want.
It would require completely changing the self identity they've have created in their heads, that they cling to.
Not everyone. But a lot of people.

And once more with feeling, PIP is nothing to do with the ability to work.

Yes.. I can also attest to the fact that sitting doing nothing makes you anxious and depressed too. Experienced that as well. Sometimes routine and work that is appropriate to the individual is a positive thing.

The only time I leave the house is for work and appointments I have no life. The only reason I can work is because I have worked in the same job for 20 years and have only become incredibly unreliable over the last 5. My work have been so understanding but im sure it pisses my colleagues of who have to repeatedly cover my shifts. Even though I do work I fully understand if I lost this job i wouldn't be able to get another one as nobody would accept this from a new employee

Oooh so you're confirming it's a handout for both people who literally physically cannot and those who can't be bothered just cuz they say so.
Thanks for clarifying.
My points still stand more than ever after some replies... Way more than ever. A lot of proof right in this thread about how relaxed getting benefits can be if you play it right.

And as an ex DWP case worker you should know that PIP is not awarded according to the ability to work. It’s not an out of work benefit.

What you have just said makes no sense

It’s not a handout it’s a state benefit. And I’m confirming nothing of the sort. Disability benefits like PIP are paid as a contribution towards the extra costs of living with a disability. They are not out of work benefits and are paid to claimants regardless of whether they work or not. If you’re going to take part in a forum on disability benefits it might be an idea to make sure you know what they’re for before you post. Otherwise you may end up looking as though you don’t know what you’re talking about. Just saying.

Not much you has either.
Especially the last few.

I didn't say anything about work.
People on here love putting words in my mouth

Yes there are those payments but we are also talking about being on disability over working when they actually could.

Are you drunk? You're making no sense. What specifically have I said that makes no sense

I don’t think the poster cares given the odd diatribes seemingly aimed at anyone who disagrees with them. I’ve given up trying to point out the difference between universal disability support benefits like PIP and out of work sickness benefits. They are two very different benefits and a lot of people are conflating the two in an attempt to accuse disabled people of being workshy. So once more for those at the back and those hard of understanding - PIP does not assess the ability to work. It’s paid purely to support the extra costs of living with a disability, it is not an out of work benefit, however much some posters here would like it to be.

I don't buy anything you're saying.
You're full of it. And I'm done engaging with you.

No you're right it's not as simple as people should just get a job. Also employers need to make accomodations such as flexible and remote working. The point I was trying to make is that people don't get enough, or at least the right support. Regardless of claiming pip or not, someone living with an anxiety disorder doesn't need to feel like they cannot work in any capacity. Even although they may need support like pip, support should be there to aid working if even just to help healing. When I was at that point, thinking I couldn't/shouldn't work compounded the anxiety. It just seems wrong that someone with a treatable affliction should feel hopeless.

I know she's ridiculous im of to sleep night 👋

I got what you were saying we were taking about different things.