To ask: if your are anti-Reform and in Wales...

[ConcernedForWales]

is tactical voting needed?

I am trying to work out if tactical voting is needed in Wales to keep Reform out, or whether the new PR system makes that approach redundant.

For example: if the local opinion polls show Plaid first Labour second, a vote for either will do the job? But anywhere where it is Plaid first, Reform second or vice versa, it has to be Plaid?

What do other anti-Reform people in Wales think?

YABU - tactical voting not needed under the new system

YANBU - it is still needed

(There are a few threads encouraging voting for Reform running at the moment, so assume this one is OK).

Could we get this moved to Draignet | The forum for all things Wales and Welsh | Mumsnet.

I haven’t seen anyone Reform inclined. Most people want to keep them out but are conflicted about tactical voting.

OP, from your follow up posts I am wondering if you have an agenda to encourage people to vote Plaid?

I currently know someone standing for Plaid, someone for Greens and unfortunately a friends husband standing for Reform so quite a diverse group! It has made it interesting really. I currently do a bit of work with the Conservative MS and actually really like him and he does quite a bit in the community. He however os second on the list for conservatives so he is likely to lose out if Plaid do well.Just makes it all the more confusing.

No pro-Plaid agenda at all. I just don't want Reform to get in. That is it. I will vote Plaid, Labour, Lib Dem, Green. Whatever it takes to keep them out of power.

Eta: there are definitely a couple of pro-Reform posters on here. Yes I did an AS and make no apologies.

I'd rather it stayed here for traffic, please. Not many people visit that board.

It would draw more traffic to Draignet especially as it's a topic that is specific to Wales.

It's not really an 'AIBU?' and it probably will draw Reform-leaning posters who aren't in Wales.

Not listening to people with a different opinion to your own whilst living in a democratic society is what led us to leave the EU.

I have no doubt that there are 'pro-reform' voters on here, given that it is a legitimate party standing in the next election, and all the polls suggest that there are plenty of people planning on voting that way.

Labour are lazy and complacent, you only need to look at the deputy leader they put up on question time. It was hard to tell if he'd simply given up already or if he still believes ,despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, that Labour will get another landslide victory, and didn't feel he needed to try at all.

Plaid are dangerous if you take the time to look at the evidence from areas they have long controlled rather than simply buying into there manifestos.

Reform are an unsavoury unknown.

I don't think voting Reform is any better or worse than the other two really.

I didn't even know about draignet and been on mumsnet a long time

Hiya. There are loads of other threads to discuss the pros and cons of Reform/Labour/whoever..

This thread is for advice for those for
of us who may wish to vote tactically to keep Reform out of power in Wales.

I live in the same constituency as you, and I agree on the council and the Foden case. It's horrific. I don't know a single person who has struggled in life due to being educated to be fluent in two languages, though, and in my part of that constituency, the only secondary school in the area teaches all subjects from yr10 through the medium of English, giving no Welsh language choices.

I also live in the county where the Foden case happened and it clearly illustrated the old boys network in the council. I am trying hard to think of anywhere local where the only secondary option is for English medium education from Yr 10. I know Foden’s school was mainly English but there’s a completely Welsh medium school round the corner. Being bilingual can only be an advantage but it’s good to have choice.

Just don't vote for a party that thinks a woman can have a penis and you should be fine

Are you in Wales PAT?

Reform.will be the death nell for the welsh language, so Plaid all the way here.
1st language welsh students I've met have all thrived in English universities. I'm for Welsh medium teaching. New arrivals to the area seem less keen and often didn't know about it until they moved here, which strikes me as bonkers.

Pleidleiso Reform 'ta? Dim ffiars o beryg.

They're phasing out (or have phased out) the English options entirely. I think friars was one of the last to go0

Tricky, how?

Just something shifty about him, would throw anyone under the bus - standard for most politicians really.
I got the same vibe from Ken Skates, though granted I didn't talk to him for long.

For me the issue with tactical voting is do you end up voting for a party to just keep another party out rather than voting for the party you think will be the best for you and Wales. It is a real predicament....... hopefully someone will have an answer!

I’m voting Plaid for the first time to try and keep Reform out. V worried about what will happen

It's def

its a case of voting for the 'least worst' in any situation these days. Definitely not just a wales problem.

I got that impression from watching him on question time. I really liked the leader of the lib dem as an individual politician, just not the party.

When I did one of those questionnaires about your views on policies to decide which party to vote for it came out as libdem. Massive waste of a vote in my constituency, and I still can't get past the Nick Clegg lies.
I think I will be voting Plaid but my vote is still wavering. The canvassers should be after me but all quiet there except Reform. Not even had anything through the door (and I am not rural - biggest town in the constituency)

I'm not a member but I'll canvass you now for Plaid if it helps! 🌻