AIBU to be concerned about Green candidates and antisemitism?

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Ironically, given that the Green party is led by a Jewish man, the party has become home to political candidates causing distress and fear for many in the Jewish community.

Dr Phil Brookes, the Green Party candidate for Manor Park, Newcastle stated in a social media post that “it takes serious effort not to be a tiny bit anti-Semitic”.

Then there’s Sabine Mairey, the Green candidate for Clapham Town in south London. She posted a video on social media stating that a terrorist attack on a synagogue was “not anti-Semitism” but “revenge”.

Councillor Hau-Yu Tam is the Green candidate in the Deptford ward of Lewisham. She has expressed support for her “brilliant comrade and lawyer” Franck Magennis whose law firm Riverway to the Sea has sought the de-proscription of Hamas – the anti-Semitic terrorist group responsible for the mass murder and rape of October 7. She said she was extremely proud of Magennis for “blazing the way on this intervention”.

Ifhat Shaheen is a Green candidate in Stoke Newington. She has defended the October 7 attacks and suggested that Israel is harvesting organs from Palestinians.

Also in London is council candidate Saiqa Ali who posted an image of the Earth being strangled by a snake clothed in an Israeli flag, accompanied by the caption “It’s time to cut the head of this snake”.

Chandni Chopra is the Green Party candidate for Heaton, Newcastle. She has questioned whether Hamas used rape during their attacks despite the horrific evidence and previously described Zionism as a “mental illness”.

A second irony is that many Green Party voters will pride themselves on their anti-racist credentials. Why then is there growing support for a party whose candidates expressed such overt racism towards one of Britain’s minority communities?

Yes. I'm just so alarmed at how this has all accelerated in the last few years in our society.
It's chilling.

I used to wonder how on earth Holocaust deniers were even a thing, how could they just ignore the overwhelming evidence?

Yes, I couldn't understand it either, but I've seen it in my own lifetime.

@OrangeAxolotyl @inamarina I honestly could never understand it either and really thought it was in the past because logic & reason just cant sustain such hatred. I still can't believe how the dehumanisation & hatred of Jewish people has apparently never really gone away.

...and has risen again.

I'm actually pissing myself at that "Hamas didn't rape women on October 7" poster saying that the Dinah Project research "has been criticised by many". Of course it has, and they're all lying antisemites. People who for some reason think if they can only make out that Hamas didn't rape (which it obviously did), that would make the rest of the atrocities acceptable.

Did they also claim Hamas treated the hostages well in captivity? They should check with Hamas to see if they released images themselves of a starved hostage being forced to dig his own grave in a tunnel as he was led to believe it would be, if they don't want to believe him or any other survivors. Word of advice, guys: if you want to deny Hamas did something, don't choose shit they livestreamed and boasted about themselves. You need to collaborate better.

The funny thing is, these people don't actually give a shit about Palestinians. If they did they'd support a two state solution; they might not like it but it's obviously the only option that has a chance of happening that would actually benefit Palestinians (Egypt and Jordan clearly aren't going to reabsorb them) and give them peace and safety, and they'd denounce Hamas, which does everything it can to endanger Palestinians, including dragging them from their homes on the first day of the ceasefire and shooting them in the head in the streets for supposedly being Israeli collaborators. I never heard any of them protesting that in their many hate marches, and they also don't want anything that brings safety and prosperity to Palestinians if it means a Jewish state exists alongside it on the land where Jews come from.

So given they don't actually care about Palestinians, what's driving them?

All of this ☝️

Oh god. I have the full on fear. Bring on the Gulf Stream collapsing quite honestly. Let’s just get it done before these people get in.

@ThatCyanCat - very good post.
The Palestinians are just pawns. If they really cared about their situation, there would be support for a 2 state solution and a condemnation of Hamas
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As a small addition... let's just say there isn't a ton of proof that Hamas raped women on October 7 and we are looking at it purely based on everything else...

"Ok, they mass shot people at a music festival, they broke into homes and a kibbutz, they wiped out entire families, they set fire to homes and shot people as they ran out, they murdered parents and children in front of each other, they kidnapped people including a baby and other children and murdered several of them... BUT THEY TOTALLY DIDN'T RAPE ANYONE! WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT??"

What are these people smoking?

Particularly the parts re October 7th.

Honestly we are just so fucking despicable as a species I can hardly bare it. Just get us gone.

It’s not all depressing.

The good thing is that at the moment, the poll shows that 74% of MNs who voted don’t think I’m being unreasonable to be concerned about Green Party candidates and antisemitism. So people are becoming aware of the problem, it’s just that a minority don’t actually see it as a problem.

Exactly!

I'm appalled at the Greens trying to win local elections based on an international issue. Keep getting their literature through the door, no mention of local issues in what I've seen. There's a lot of Muslims in this area so it's clearly a tribal type ploy for votes.

Also, re. opposing Israeli politics and violence - sure. But I also oppose Palestinian violence (or Hamas to be more precise) and the extremist idea that Israel shouldn't exist.

As well as, you know, wanting people who are competent to run this country, not just make statements about other places.

Good point. I do feel there is a quiet majority that is decent. But we cant be quiet anymore.

It comes to something when you come to AIBU to be reassured that most people are decent but yes, I’m sure they are.

Just to add to the anti semitism of the Greens, there is also their interesting support of Modern Monetary Theory.

This basically says that Governments needn't worry about national debt or Government borrowing in order to increase Government. The solution to spend more is simply for the Government to print more money.

Unfortunately this has been tried and failed in Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/zack-polanski-modern-monetary-theory-economics-b1261280.html

A monetary system which crashed the economy in Weimar Germany?
What could possibly go wrong?

And don’t forget Nadia Sawalhas husband Mark has been suspended as a green candidate for anti semetic you tube rants .
it’s not just anti semitism though , the whole lot of them and their policies are barking mad .

We can't. The thing is that we were drowned out by the hate and invective from those weekly marches, amd the simplistic and polarised thinking that was spawned.
.However, it's become apparent what's happening to Jewish people in this country, and it must be giving all but hardline adherents pause for thought..

I get the feeling that if Zack Polanski were asked what he thinks of George Soros, his little brain might explode.

He sounds utterly vile - why do antisemitic people always want to draw parallels with Nazi Germany?

In one video last month, Adderley described Israel as “the biggest threat to the planet, because they are the chosen people”.

Drawing comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany, he said: “When you look at how Hitler expanded Germany, or sought to expand Germany, it is almost a complete identikit to what Netanyahu is doing in the Middle East.

“Israel is the biggest threat to the sovereignty of every nation on this planet because they are the chosen people, deluded cult. It is just a cult,” he went on.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/revealed-green-candidate-and-husband-of-loose-women-star-rants-about-threat-posed-by-the-chosen-people-w3sox6wf

They do that partly because they don't have the knowledge and understanding to draw more accurate or appropriate parallels, but also because it's the ultimate insult to Jewish people.

I know but it's so fucking offensive (that's the point though, right?).

Still it makes it easy to spot absolute knobheads as compared to people who have a different opinion about the war in Gaza say, and are arguing in good faith.

Fair point! The aim - for some - is to be offensive.