To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

I knew the risks of my extensive chemotherapy last year, one of them was death! Along with a whole host of other nasty things. My chemo was adjuvant (the cancer was gone after surgery, but was the type that could return, as research had shown). Only one person thought I shouldn’t have it!

interesting!

Because as has been said 1000 times, obesity causes health issues including cancer! So is prevention no better than cure and risk assess the risks of both WLI and chemo for example?

No, taking WLI is lazy, you deserve adverse effects, to be wrinkly, look ill, and all the rest of it.

i tell you what, i looked a lot sicker after 16 chemos, 3 blood transfusions, 2 magnesium infusions, huge doses of steroids, surgery and 10 rounds of radiotherapy! But I must not try my best and risk assess the options out there! My bad!

Personally, I hope that one outcome will be to normalise stopping eating when you’re full, and there will be less pressure on all of us to ‘clear our plates’. I’ve always been an ‘eat when you’re hungry, stop when you’re full’ person, who suits a ‘little and often’ approach rather than huge meals with long gaps between. When I’m full, that’s it: if I try to force myself to eat more, I’ll feel really ill. And it amazes me how many people absolutely hate to see you put your knife and fork down when you’re full!

I love food, love to eat out and try new things - but I’ve always hated the societal pressure to force down more than I can manage. It starts in childhood: we had a colleague of my partner round for a meal once, and she immediately started telling our children that they wouldn’t get pudding if they didn’t eat all their dinner. I had to jump in and say that we don’t do that here - we stop when we’re full, and we have pudding if we fancy it.

After 30 years, my MiL has finally stopped making comments about it being rude not to clear your plate whenever we eat together. The sad thing is, there are places she would really like to eat, but she won’t as “the portions are too big”. I’ve told her so many times that restaurants have to cater to everyone, up to and including the 6’ 6” rugby players among us, and nobody would expect her (4’ 10”) to eat everything, but it’s so ingrained.

The people who will lie to the legitimate prescribers to get WLIs are the people who will buy them 'grey market' anyway if they can't access them through legitimate providers. Their difficulties and dishonesty should not be used to prevent others from accessing genuinely helpful treatments.

Exactly! Like people who access pain killers illegally, they’ll find a way, but that doesn’t mean I should suffer pain because of them!

The ability to recognise when I’m full and to stop eating has been one of the biggest benefits of the medication for me. That, and recognising what a healthy sized portion of food looks like for me. Whilst I didn’t snack and eat loads of cakes and biscuitsI used to be able to eat massive portions of food - often more than my husband. I’d lost sight of what was a healthy amount and my body wasn’t telling me I was full.

I don’t think a thread detailing the thousands of prescriptions filled by online pharmacists would be of much interest to anyone tbh. Surely most people know these pharmacists exist and did so long before WLI? Although it seems like you didn’t?

The point is moot though as people misuse all kinds of medications, be them over the counter, GP prescribed in person and online prescriptions. Not to mention the street dealers of meds. It happens. It’s not specific to WLI and it’s not specific to online prescriptions either.

I agree with you....people used to be more open about it too, but now we get the faux concern instead

My friend stopped having the jabs when they were told that their gallbladder needed to be removed. I think that the jabs side effect of nausea was the main reason they cut back on their food intake

Mounjaro and Wegovy, it’s not illegal at all and it’s out in the open, just go on their website, it’s entirely legitimate. Off label prescribing happens across an array of medications.

I didn't see it whenn i looked at their website. I didn't say it us illegal to prescribe something off label but it is very risky as if anything goes wrong the drug company is not responsible. Why would any company take that risk.

My GP prescribed off label medication for my DD when she was just 18 months. Not illegal or risky if done correctly.

It’s really standard practice, it’s not unique to WLI. Remember tons of people will be on WLI at a lower BMI for maintenance. What risks do you think there are exactly that would concern you? You said yourself why would they take the risk? Because it’s quite minimal.

I didn't say it was legal but it is risky to prescribe outside licensed indications. I bet the GP only did it after advice from a pediatrician (s)

I think the long term repurcussions are known, right?

reducrion in obesity, if we can reverse it, then reducrion in cancer, heart attack, stroke, diabetes, joint degradation, fatty liver etc, and the associated cost and care required for those.

I think you’ve misunderstood. Weight loss drugs were originally developed to help with diabetes but have now been licenced for weight loss. Viagra was originally licensed as a drug for heart issues but now we know it has other uses.

how could you possibly know what someone else was experiencing or how their body might have reacted? Whilst nausea is a common side effect, I have certainly never suffered with it and I don't eat like I did because I no longer have that compulsion. Simply put, they don't work in the way you are suggesting they do.

What a nasty comment. There are concerns in the medical community. I'm concerned because my oldest granddaughter is taking them. She's overjoyed by her weight loss, and I'm really pleased for her, but I do worry about the long-term effects. There's nothing 'faux' about it.

So what was your point then?

@Tekknonan That response wasn't directed to you or about your concern for your granddaughter. Although, were you as concerned about the long term implications of your granddaughter remaining obese? Because the risks of that are very well known, but often totally forgotten about when thinking about these medications.

My point is there is that it is very risky to prescribe off label unless there is a good body of evidence and consensus of opinion to do do. The prescriber is taking full responsibility should anything go wrong. It does happen quite a lot with pediatric medicines but that will be on advice of specialist and usually because there is no alternative.

The risk to the prescriber is not minimal if they are prescribing outside the license. Please link to where it states on their website that people are eligible to start treatment if their initial bmi is 25.

So you are ok with some off label prescriptions but not others for absolutely no sensible reason?

Try going on different SM platform’s and talking about WLI and you’ll soon see people crawling out of the woodwork with their pennies worth of ‘advice’ which is passive aggressive criticism dressed up as concern. Tik tok has them in the thousands. As a person who has lost 6 stones over the last two years on MJ I can say from experience that there are a lot of people who feel resentful of the fact that us fatties have a tool that makes it easier to become slim. I sit back and observe conversations around this medication and the resentment and downright scathing attitude towards it is shocking at times. I can also say without a doubt that people (mostly men) treat me differently now I’m not waddling around in size 24 clothes.

I didn't say whether I was or wasn't okay. I am just saying that it is risky and only done in certain circumstances e.g. sometimes in children with specialist advice. If people don't prescribe according to licensed indication and without specialist advice or expert consensus they are taking a big risk as they will be held responsible should anything go wrong.

@Pikachu150 Voy’s website has a page about eligibility that mentions that they may choose to prescribe from BMI 25

https://www.joinvoy.com/blog/bmi-for-weight-loss-injections