Not fit to be in charge of a child

[HelloDenise]

I'm at a football match. Next to us is a guy of indeterminate age and a little girl about 6. He's got very few teeth, made a roll up during the game, smells like smoke and alcohol. This is a description, in the same way broccoli is green, before someone has a go about being judgemental. I'm guessing he's her grandfather.

He's sworn and yelled throughout the game in front of the child. She's wandering about and has totally ignored all the "Come here Chardonnay" instructions.

He's been yelling F, B, C words for almost 90 minutes. "Fuckin bang another one in eh Chardonnay". The referee has been called a wanker at least 20 times.

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'Smells like smoke and alcohol' is all the OP said.

You can guarantee if he was even slightly tipsy the OP would've been all over it.

Not leaving it out of her 'story'.

It was a league game, a Championship match.

The bloke was right next to us and we got full volume for the whole 90 minutes apart from half time when they went for a burger @Hatty65. And he threw the wrapper on the floor.

The language was disgraceful and would have been the same whether it was rugby, polo, snooker or curling. The guy smells of alcohol and smoke.

Its fine its character building

It was a football match, not the Royal Ballet.

This happens a lot. We were on a train a while back and away fans were on the same train. All the adults were absolutely hammered and continuing to drink while the kids (aged between 6-12) were stood on the seats chanting every swear word known to man and chatting up women as they walked past (I kid you not). Anyone who didn't agree with them got abused hurled from the kids while the adults laughed and encouraged. These little kids were being encouraged to be extremely rude and sexist towards women on the train. What a lifestyle.

Better still; rough as a badgers arse.

@HelloDenise You are lucky if you haven't seen these type of people before. It's tragic because their kids then go ahead and have kids early that they can't take care of properly and it goes on and on in generations. It's material and intellectual poverty but also a complete lack of manners.

I've not seen this at the football before like this and what you've said is exactly what we were thinking. But we're being judgemental, of course. I can't believe people defend this sort of behaviour. I used to love going to stay with my grandparents and my grandad took me to football matches just like this little girl today. I never ever heard them swearing. So why is it being excused now I wonder?

What’s sad is this is probably the best childcare she’s got today. Where are her parents? What are they doing if being pawned off on drunk shouting grandpa was the best option?

Try a women's match I find they are much more civilised, I don't know if it's because there are fewer spectators or because people who go to women's matches are just more reasonable than fans of male football teams but the women's matches I have been to are very child friendly.

I didn’t say or suggest he was drunk.

But why mention the teeth @HelloDenise ? Why?

Do you go to football matches much, OP? This isn’t ideal but it’s not unusual and as a one off it’s clearly ok

I should add that I’m married to someone who loathes football and he’d quite possibly be judgy too: but you know there are lots of different people in this world

Haven't you ever watched a match on the TV? It's always possible to hear the assorted songs, chants and WANKER WANKER THE REF'S A FUCKING WANKER things from the crowds.

No but you said "Some of her reasons for saying he’s not fit are totally fair observations, smelling of drink for example."

How does the smell of alcohol on ones breath mean they're not fit to look after children?

Where does that end?

Garlic? Curry? Fish?

You are really twisting the point of what I was saying, responding to someone saying OP was making observations not judgements. She judged him as not fit due to his smell of alcohol, which may be fair enough, maybe not, it was just an example really comparing it to the fact she said he had bad teeth which clearly makes no difference to his ability to care for a child.

But obviously smelling of alcohol is not the same as smelling of garlic.

I remember going to house parties at my grandads when I was young. My mom would take me and my sister, my cousins were there as were aunties, uncles etc. They would get drunk, smoke in the kitchen, blast music out and laugh and swear and tell stories. That was in the 90s. I used to love those parties. Happy memories.

But obviously smelling of alcohol is not the same as smelling of garlic.

If they're fit to look after a child, it's exactly the same.

It's just a smell.

OP obviously doesn’t think he was fit to look after a child though. And it’s just a bit obtuse really to suggest the man smelling of alcohol, smoking and swearing at a football match with a young child is the same as an adult smelling of garlic regardless of wether he’s fit to parent or not.

I would doff my cap at his social superiority 😂

You've widened the goalposts there.

I was picking you up solely on saying ""Some of her reasons for saying he’s not fit are totally fair observations, smelling of drink for example."

The smell on his breath was not a fair observation when it comes to being fit to look after a child.

Otherwise 3/4 of Mumsnet would have their children removed, especially on Christmas day.

Got to be a Leicester fan judging by the description and foul language aimed at the ref and definitely the players 🤣🤣🤣

It’s not Christmas Day, it’s a football game. And actually I think you are being unfair, you’ve totally twisted the context of my initial reply which was about something else, and continue to argue about it no matter what I say. I think the OP was being judgemental, even if some of her points may have been valid, others certainly weren’t, and that’s the point I was making.