To think no one can SERIOUSLY want Starmer to go now, it’s media created instability designed to damage the UK.

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trump, wars, Israel invading Lebanon, US mid terms…….

it would mental for Starmer to go and it’s a trap.

yabu - of course Starmer has to go, despite what is happening in the world right now.

yanbu - time to move on and deal with trump and the blatant manipulation of the media by Russia, right wing billionaire interests.

Well OP, I can certainly see why you’d want to hang on to Starmer for now.

He’s a strong public speaker who mesmerises his audiences with his language and his persuasive voice, a powerful personality who never bends to any dissent from within his party, a man who’s always on top of all the facts, a straight-talker who answers every question directly with complete honesty, a selfless monk-like figure who’d never take freebies, and someone with razor sharp judgement who’d never promote any minister who then had to resign or any civil servant he then felt obliged to sack or anyone unfit for huge diplomatic responsibility.

Yes, all round a safe pair of hands. Just the sort of sound chap we need in difficult times.

Diane Abbott is an independent MP.

I think you would be hard pushed to find any PM in history who would live up to all that! Maybe if Jesus makes a return visit...

True. But Starmer’s not far off. There are three telling things about Starmer’s near divinity.

One is that he shoulders responsibility without a moment’s thought. You know implicitly that the buck stops with him. No ifs, no buts.

Another is that he’s an evangelist: he’s always called for his opponents to live up to the lofty standards that he espouses.

But most of all, he’s a humble servant. He’s so not interested in protecting his own interests. Wouldn’t brief against or block any rival. And he’s certainly not in it for specs, suits or football tickets.

There’s no cowardice or backstabbing with Starmer. And absolutely no hypocrisy. Totally reliable.

At least 75% Christ-like IMO.

Some on here will think you’re being serious!

I may be wrong, but I am getting strong vibes that you dislike Starmer a wee bit. Just a wee bit.

Op I agree with you. I’m fed up of the witch-hunt that the UK media is determined to pursue. It’s pathetic, and causes more division in this country than any political party or ideology (well, apart from that of Reform).

Calling for his resignation is going to achieve nothing more than further instability. Whether the media and the right wing haters like it or not, Labour are in power for the next few years. There is no other Labour MP demonstrating capability of the job right now, so perhaps everyone should just grow up a bit and be a little less determined to distract him from getting on with it.

I didn’t vote Labour, BTW. I know the party is far from perfect. But I also think we need to learn from what the instability of the last govt has done to us.

He’s not my favourite politician of the moment. But I take some comfort in the virtually certain fact that I dislike him less than his cabinet colleagues do.

Anyway, as to the thread subject, it’s not easy to think of a politician less suited to lead us in turbulent times than Starmer. I’d put him ahead of Farage, Lowe and that Labour MP whose political mission is to encourage sales of vibrators. But I’m at a loss after that.

The media reacted to the public last time and are with this one.

It isn’t just the media and the “right wing haters” who want him gone, many MPs in the Labour Party are plotting his exit.

I agree, it's overblown - Starmer is crap in many ways, but it seems ridiculous when parts of the media are all 'This government is in CHAOS!' 'Starmer's Labour is in TOTAL DISARRAY!' 'Britain is FALLING APART BECAUSE OF STARMER' They're just trying to blow everything up and yes, I think there are many unfriendly forces that want to see our government being as unstable as possible. So while I don't like him much, I think it's better to stick with one PM then to get in a revolving door situation like the last Tory government.

Heaven forbid.

I don't know about heaven, but Parliamentary rules forbid it. Or Labour party rules. Or both.

Um the truly truly terrible and corrupt government that was the Tory party under Theresa, Boris, Rishi and Liz, and god I can’t even remember the last one.

David Cameron the eton cockhead who gave us Brexit, with his stupid yes / no choice. Not even requiring a 60% yes or ‘don’t know option’. then he fucked off back to the Cotswolds and his millionaire friends.

urgh

People will just have a similarly scathing list for Labour when they get voted out.

I voted YABU because there are hoards of people that want him to go. Posts on here all day every day. Papers are dominated with it. Because of this, before this - they just want him out.

But I’m with you, it would be utter madness for him to go now.

I would like to know what “Mandy “ has on KS
ifs got to be something pretty big

if KS didn’t know why he failed vetting to the most important diplomatic post that is available then he is incompetent and shouldn’t be PM

if he did know and pushed it through then you have to ask why he did that

he’s a liar and incompetent I can’t stand him
he has the personality of a chalk board

Go on then...

reduced the ‘small boats’ - caused by farage and brexit by the way

Farage and Brexit did not cause the small boats - over 10,000 migrants arrived by small boat before we left the Dublin Regulation.

I think you can criticise Starmer for many things (lack of clear leadership, too many u-turns, no charisma), but I trust him and don't believe that he's a liar, and it would be ridiculous for him to resign over this. Mandelson and of course Epstein are the guilty ones.

Are you mad ? How much has Brexit cost the UK? And for what? Blue passports

@previouslyknownas

if KS didn’t know why he failed vetting to the most important diplomatic post that is available then he is incompetent and shouldn’t be PM

I think the deal, universally for this stuff is the reasons for a fail stay between those doing the vetting and the person being vetted.

KS not knowing any detail as to why Mandleson failed isn't the issue, but if KS lied to the house about not knowing when he did he should be toast.

Of course people will be, you might always vote Labour but already Starmer is the least liked PM. And the list is scathing. When enough feel the same out they go.

Johnson failed security clearance as Foreign Secretary

I don't think this claim can be accurate. There was a rumour that Theresa May didn't trust Johnson with certain details but equally a claim that she was a control freak. Either way though - are you suggesting that Theresa May knew that Johnson had failed security clearance - whereas Starmer is lying about what he knew - or instead he is a clueless prime minister who doesn't know anything?

Untrue. The 1909 budget takes that title, with Attlee’s government in next place. In any event, leftwing doesn’t equate to communism.