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Should teachers be allowed to speak to parents as they are spoken to?

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ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:23

Following on from a discussion on another thread. Can you imagine greeting the parent of a disruptive child and saying 'Oi, shithead, you smell like cheese.' Alternatively, in one of those conversations where a parent has complained because you've embarrassed little Johnny when they turned up to your lesson late with no book, no pen and no apparent interest in actually being there 'Well, the reason your darling is failing hard is because they literally don't give a crap and you've sent them that message, so if you want them to get anything out of school, and not be like you on universal credit living off chicken nuggets, maybe you should stop complaining about us and take a long hard look at your own parenting technique, that's if you can get off your back long enough to actually focus on anything that's not your latest deadbeat boyfriend.'

You see, this is what teachers actually know. We can wrap it up any way people want. We can believe (and many of us do) that all behaviour is an attempt to communicate. And as nice as it might be to offer the 80 billion excuses available at any given time, what the kids are communicating to us is that their parents are ridiculously ill-equipped to be actual parents. Oddly, I don't blame them for this. Huge spikes in poverty. Serious addiction issues. Overcrowded housing. Limited access to MH provision. People are drowning. But you know what? We (teachers) are not the enemy.

Why is it that parents and carers find it so hard to work with us? I'm from a really terrible background, don't own my own house, am even partial to a cut-price Spoons afternoon deal, so what gives? How did we get here? Why are we at each others throats? What would make a genuine difference?

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Dimms · 17/04/2026 22:28

You sound nice.

Chocaholick · 17/04/2026 22:29

There’s just been another big decline in standards and the public seeing everyone ‘working for them’. Entitlement, lack of intelligence, arrogance, not sure how you solve those things

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:34

Dimms · 17/04/2026 22:28

You sound nice.

You sound sarcastic and not at all interested in helping to resolve the actual issue. Thank you for you contribution.

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Naws · 17/04/2026 22:35

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:34

You sound sarcastic and not at all interested in helping to resolve the actual issue. Thank you for you contribution.

How are MNetters going to resolve the issue?

likelysuspect · 17/04/2026 22:35

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:23

Following on from a discussion on another thread. Can you imagine greeting the parent of a disruptive child and saying 'Oi, shithead, you smell like cheese.' Alternatively, in one of those conversations where a parent has complained because you've embarrassed little Johnny when they turned up to your lesson late with no book, no pen and no apparent interest in actually being there 'Well, the reason your darling is failing hard is because they literally don't give a crap and you've sent them that message, so if you want them to get anything out of school, and not be like you on universal credit living off chicken nuggets, maybe you should stop complaining about us and take a long hard look at your own parenting technique, that's if you can get off your back long enough to actually focus on anything that's not your latest deadbeat boyfriend.'

You see, this is what teachers actually know. We can wrap it up any way people want. We can believe (and many of us do) that all behaviour is an attempt to communicate. And as nice as it might be to offer the 80 billion excuses available at any given time, what the kids are communicating to us is that their parents are ridiculously ill-equipped to be actual parents. Oddly, I don't blame them for this. Huge spikes in poverty. Serious addiction issues. Overcrowded housing. Limited access to MH provision. People are drowning. But you know what? We (teachers) are not the enemy.

Why is it that parents and carers find it so hard to work with us? I'm from a really terrible background, don't own my own house, am even partial to a cut-price Spoons afternoon deal, so what gives? How did we get here? Why are we at each others throats? What would make a genuine difference?

Yes, so much this.

Littlelisasimpson · 17/04/2026 22:38

Former teacher, I wholly agree.
I’d ask some of the horrid children how they’d feel if I went to their mum or dad’s workplace and spoke to them how they spoke to me.

Maybe not a perfect example, as many of the parents were professionally unemployed…

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:39

Naws · 17/04/2026 22:35

How are MNetters going to resolve the issue?

MN = parents, I dunno, just thought they might be interested in the education system.

Thank you for your contribution, super helpful.

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Dimms · 17/04/2026 22:40

You ask why some parents struggle to work with teachers, then describe them as lazy, stupid and beneath contempt. You say teachers are not the enemy while speaking about families as though they are a problem class to be managed. “This is what teachers actually know” really means “this is what I assume.” Some parents definitely fail, certainly. So do some teachers. If you speak about families like this, the problem may not be the parents. It might be you.

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:41

Dimms · 17/04/2026 22:40

You ask why some parents struggle to work with teachers, then describe them as lazy, stupid and beneath contempt. You say teachers are not the enemy while speaking about families as though they are a problem class to be managed. “This is what teachers actually know” really means “this is what I assume.” Some parents definitely fail, certainly. So do some teachers. If you speak about families like this, the problem may not be the parents. It might be you.

And your reference point for this is? Your own assumptions?

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Scarydinosaurs · 17/04/2026 22:42

both sides have work to do.

Schools with seemingly nonsense rules make parents lives harder.

Parents totally uninvested and nervous about schools.

Fix it by holding antenatal classes in the school hall in the evening. Have on site baby drop in stay and play. Open playgrounds at the weekend (unsure on this but works elsewhere). Make adult learning and careers advice something that happens in school buildings.

Gives heads time to have an impact before demanding results. Make it more attractive to work in tough areas.

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:43

btw, i'm working class, from a council estate, married to an ex-con, and you are?

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ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:43

Scarydinosaurs · 17/04/2026 22:42

both sides have work to do.

Schools with seemingly nonsense rules make parents lives harder.

Parents totally uninvested and nervous about schools.

Fix it by holding antenatal classes in the school hall in the evening. Have on site baby drop in stay and play. Open playgrounds at the weekend (unsure on this but works elsewhere). Make adult learning and careers advice something that happens in school buildings.

Gives heads time to have an impact before demanding results. Make it more attractive to work in tough areas.

I like stay and play. I work in secondary, but I can see this value. Thank you.

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likelysuspect · 17/04/2026 22:48

Littlelisasimpson · 17/04/2026 22:38

Former teacher, I wholly agree.
I’d ask some of the horrid children how they’d feel if I went to their mum or dad’s workplace and spoke to them how they spoke to me.

Maybe not a perfect example, as many of the parents were professionally unemployed…

Is it a question you couldnt ask then?

Just wondering if you would get a complaint made about you if so, and then if you did have a complaint whether your manager/HT would back you up or the complainant

Dimms · 17/04/2026 22:49

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:41

And your reference point for this is? Your own assumptions?

No, someone who works with children, young people and their families when they are in need of extra support.

Dimms · 17/04/2026 22:51

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:43

btw, i'm working class, from a council estate, married to an ex-con, and you are?

Was this question to me?

RantyRant3555 · 17/04/2026 22:54

kids are communicating to us is that their parents are ridiculously ill-equipped to be actual parents. Oddly, I don't blame them for this. Huge spikes in poverty. Serious addiction issues. Overcrowded housing. Limited access to MH provision. People are drowning. But you know what? We (teachers) are not the enemy.
Why is it that parents and carers find it so hard to work with us?

You have partly answered your own question- poverty and overcrowding would necessarily lead to parents not ending or seeing teachers as enemies

serious addiction and unaddressed mental illness may very well, including if they are worried their children might come to attention of social services. Also if the parent didn’t have a good experience of school (not necessarily due to the school)

Im sorry I don’t have answers I’m afraid

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:54

Yeah, go on, because you seem to have your judgement hard on. Obviously, you know, providing you're not some middle class person who went to uni straight out of school, you get to understand what the actual working class go through

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Littlelisasimpson · 17/04/2026 22:58

I’m working class, but actually gave a stuff about my education and tried hard rather than being disruptive. I’m only one generation older than the kids I taught (secondary) but it seems like the vast majority of parents were feckless and so were their kids. I felt sorry for the children who did want to learn.
I did teach on a last choice secondary school on council estate so parents were often disenfranchised and apathetic.

PinkNailPolish2026 · 17/04/2026 23:02

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InOverMyHead84 · 17/04/2026 23:03

I am a teacher. This reminds me of a request made by a pupil once.

"Sir, I wish we could have a day when anyone could really say what they think about each other... Particularly what we think about the teachers."
"I mean, sure.... As long as the teachers can also freely say what they think about the pupils too....."

It took a moment. But the lad was shocked.

Frankly, I applaud the professionalism of my colleagues. It's amazing they do not snap more in the face of abuse, disrespect and sheer hubris.

Wizardonabroom · 17/04/2026 23:04

Littlelisasimpson · 17/04/2026 22:38

Former teacher, I wholly agree.
I’d ask some of the horrid children how they’d feel if I went to their mum or dad’s workplace and spoke to them how they spoke to me.

Maybe not a perfect example, as many of the parents were professionally unemployed…

I do ask the children this if they speak rudely to me. It often stops them in their tracks and results in an apology from them. With older children, I sometimes phrase it linked to work, explaining I would lose my job if I spoke to a colleague (or pupil) the way they spoke to me. It's important to teach them social etiquette and about respect.

Dimms · 17/04/2026 23:05

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:54

Yeah, go on, because you seem to have your judgement hard on. Obviously, you know, providing you're not some middle class person who went to uni straight out of school, you get to understand what the actual working class go through

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It’s not a competition, is it? I grew up in care and was moved around quite a bit, so I’m not sure what that makes me.

PinoirNot · 17/04/2026 23:05

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 22:54

Yeah, go on, because you seem to have your judgement hard on. Obviously, you know, providing you're not some middle class person who went to uni straight out of school, you get to understand what the actual working class go through

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Yikes. Looks like you really went for it today with your afternoon Spoons deal.

ProudCat · 17/04/2026 23:07

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You didn't think that yet another abusive relationship was an issue or lack of adequate nutrition was a problem. OK

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ConflictofInterest · 17/04/2026 23:08

I think teachers forget that parents are the same kids 20 or so years on. It's just a repeating cycle. The kids who are scared and disruptive and disengaged now are the parents of the future. They hate school and the school hates them, nothing will have changed when they're compelled to send their kids there in the future. Teachers are seen as the enemy because we've all been there, we've lived through it, we know what it's really about.

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