To find people who drone on about how working class they are annoying?

[Bunnyfluffo]

And insulting people for being middle class.

Before you start calling me a snob I come from nothing lived in a homeless shelter with my first child when I was 16. But apparently Ive got interests and hobbies that apparently make me insufferably middle class 🙄 normal stuff like reading books and eating healthy.

Sometimes these people are working jobs where they earn far more than middle class people but because 50 years ago it was considered “working class” they make it their whole personality.

It seems like identity politics around ethnicity and sexuality got boring and they’ve moved on to this. Don’t even get me started on the ones who are actually well off but grandpa worked scrubbing sewers so they call themselves working class.

Not to mention the hatred of so called “middle class” people for having innocuous hobbies and interests like bird watching

For a lot of us, it's about the lens through which we look at the world. I do a job that's almost entirely populated by middle-class people, I've been doing it for years, but I'm from a working-class background and that's stayed with me. I don't think I have ever considered myself MC, and I don't mean that in a sneery or inverted-snobbish way, just that I still feel WC despite having an MC job and husband.

Well, I agree with you, but that doesn't explain why @Bunnyfluffo thinks a child derives its class identity from whichever of its parents is the main breadwinner, and that, if @5128gap 's tradesman, white-van-driving husband earns more than she does in her professional job, all the piano playing, theatre and trips to Tallinn and Florence will not make their child MC.

I admit i assumed here that like many families one parent takes a backseat with their career and only works part time and let’s be honest it’s usually the woman.

So if she’s a professional and he’s a tradesman and you had to choose whether the kids are middle or working you’d probably go with working?

Idk She asked me a question and I answered it

Yeah that doesn't seem right. That would make my partners kids very upset to be considered working class as their dad it although he earned over 6 figures. But their mum was definitely middle class , at least a few generations back but she earned a fraction of his income and didn't go to uni herself, Both partner and his kids did though.

He says he's working class and the kids are middle class

I don't think I know any women who took a back seat with their career just because they had a child, tbh, but even assuming they did, I still don't see why who earns most of the family money would determine the social class of the next generation -- the lesser-earning parent is still there as a key influence in terms of lenses on the world, social and cultural capital etc, surely.

@5128gap refers to a professional career, a university education, a liking for theatre, museums, and travel (possibly shared with her husband). Why would her husband's comparatively lower level of education and blue collar job be the stronger class determinant, if he were the higher earner and they had a child?

Nothing wrong with being either working class or middle class. Who really cares? 🙄

A few people on this forum, I have never known anyone in real life give a shit, or bang on about it.

Yes, but you probably don't know people who talked in person about having a toilet brush, either, or having pissed in their ex's favourite mug and air-dried it before serving him tea, or being investigated by SS for possible child neglect, or finding the family they have blended intolerable or their OnlyFans side line or they're having a workplace affair.

All things that actually happen, but don't tend to form topics of general conversation.

Class underpins so much of British society, whether or not it's discussed.

I get what you mean. I was born working class and spent my teens as part of the underclass (for want of a better description!) However I was a good student in a terrible school, which apparently made me 'posh'. Laughable as we often had our utilities cut off thanks to non payment of bills! Education was my salvation, I went to university (in the days of getting a grant), graduated during the recession of the early 90s and took any job I could get - definitely not graduate or middle class roles. Eventually I married a middle class man and we now have a nice, relatively comfortable life. To this day I still feel working class, although I wouldn't go on about it! I think it's a state of mind as much as anything else. It's not a central part of my identity, but it's definitely there.

Lol I've never seen a thread about pissing in an exes cup

WTF? I hope you continue(d) to use it. Daily.

Having kids is pretty time consuming It’s hard not to take a backseat most mothers I know have done to varying degrees.

Lol did the word wield have axe in the same sentence?

No it was in reference to a tea towel being used in a mock fight iirc.

But according to the OP people do drone on about class in real life.

One or the other, it can't be both.

Lol bit safer than wielding an axe. Perfectly normal word though,

Funnily enough since post this it came up in conversation with someone (they brought it up not me) mentioning how working class they are and making fun of middle class people.
These people are literally richer than me but have a chip on their shoulder because daddy was a builder when they grew up!
That other thread is aibu to find middle class parents insufferable well I find working class parents insufferable (the ones that think like this anyway)

My parents were both working class (labourer and secretary until she became a stay at home Mum) and I don’t feel this way at all. I’m very proud of my parents for raising their children to have a good work ethic and to work hard for what we want.

you can’t say from one conversation that all working class people have a chip on their shoulder.

why are you so keen to categorise people according to class?

I’m not, they are and I’m just pointing it out.

I was homeless at 16 with a child of my own but these people want to lecture me on my privilege because their daddy was a builder which isn’t even a bad paying job. And I’m an insufferable cunt for wanting my kids to go to a good school and because I eat asparagus?

Who are these people? Is this just one person you have encountered ? You are generalising a lot

again, why are YOU so bothered about class?

All over twitter, on here sometimes, celebs on tv and yeah a couple of people I’ve encountered.
I wasn’t bothered until I noticed everyone else was

No one talks about class or drones on about it in RL! Just on MN

I think you’ll find the majority of working class people don’t really care about class and just want to do well for themselves, Twitter and to be honest on here is a cesspit of nasty people.

I find it's other people who hear your northern accent and feel the need to make assumptions and comment.
I have a broad accent, brought up on a council estate, was homeless for a period as a child. I don't give any weight to class crap, but probably live a fairly stereotypical middle class life now. The amount of comments I've had over the years about being working class, or assumptions of how I'd react to things they've done... It's baffling. I'd never refer to myself as working class or any social class at all.

But she clarified, when asked, that she meant online. Which is my point — that people ‘drone on’ a lot about things on the internet that they’re unlikely to dwell on conversationally in person.

People seem perennially surprised that class is discussed freely online when they don’t hear it talked about in their day to day lives, but people discuss the position in which they wipe their bottoms or their liking for earwax removal videos online.