To find people who drone on about how working class they are annoying?

[Bunnyfluffo]

And insulting people for being middle class.

Before you start calling me a snob I come from nothing lived in a homeless shelter with my first child when I was 16. But apparently Ive got interests and hobbies that apparently make me insufferably middle class 🙄 normal stuff like reading books and eating healthy.

Sometimes these people are working jobs where they earn far more than middle class people but because 50 years ago it was considered “working class” they make it their whole personality.

It seems like identity politics around ethnicity and sexuality got boring and they’ve moved on to this. Don’t even get me started on the ones who are actually well off but grandpa worked scrubbing sewers so they call themselves working class.

Not to mention the hatred of so called “middle class” people for having innocuous hobbies and interests like bird watching

A number of businesses say that they do not discriminate or that they are happy to not discriminate on grounds of race, gender, sexuality (duh that's the law stoopid) but also will not discriminate on social class.
I onset if this has ever been challenged? Or what their definition grounds are.

Do any of you remember the game “Who am I”?

Yep completely agree, it causes people to get unwarranted chips on their shoulder and view people through stereotypes. I also absolutely hate when some northern people say Southerners are unfriendly or not as friendly as them- load of rubbish, they just don’t shout about it all the time! I’m a midlander to add context

It's a similar thing but I have a couple of people I know who always say something like "But what about poorer people who can't afford x, y, z?" As though because some people can't afford to do it no one can.
An example might be paying for a kids activity or hiring a tutor.
They themselves are middle class and would happily pay for things for their kids/family if needed but when anything is in the news or is mentioned that might offer an advantage I suppose they always start talking about those who can't afford whatever it is.
It gets quite wearing.

Why is it wearing to care about other people?

I agree, OP.

There's this irritating cliche that the British are obsessed with class. But they seem to choose to be! I find it's those who feel aggrieved about class who obsess most.

I was brought up in a wc family but am now mc, I suppose. This holds true for most of my friends too - I guess birds of a feather flock together. I don't know many 'solid upper mc' people who (I think) have a distinct lifestyle: hoiday home, huge house, lots of skiing in the winter and expensive hols in the summer etc, private school for them and their offspring).

Lots of people of my generation (born in the 60s) were upwardly mobile due to 2 things: grammar schools and university grants. We were incredibly lucky and I appreciate that. Social mobility now is much more difficult but I won't get on my usual hobby-horse about that subject...

Personally I take everyone as they come and judge them as individuals and you find nice and nasty people in all walks of life.

I don't know where you're encountering these people. The WC people I know never mentiom social class or 'identity politics'.
What I do see, including on here, is lots of negativity directed at WC people. Benefit scroungers, take no responsibility, should better themselves, raise their bar, change their values. Everything from the clothes they wear to the names they choose for the children, to their choice of holiday, home decor and when they put the Christmas lights up is scrutinised and discussed, used as a yardstick for what should be avoided by the MC.
How annoying then when some WC people dare to be content, even proud to belong to this despised and belittled group, rather than gazing in awe and envy at those who have 'bettered themselves'.

I see a lot more hatred towards middle class people and their ways tbh just the other day seeing someone say they overheard a middle class mum talking to her child in a clear voice which apparently made her an insufferable cunt. Not to mention the hatred of middle class people for liking to eat interesting things and having hobbies. A whole thread on here dedicated to calling middle class mums insufferable for caring what school their kids go to. Very strange but whatever.

Then they call the middle class “privileged” even though half the working class people I know dad alones making 60k and they’re going on constant holidays abroad meanwhile I’m on 25k and haven’t even been on holiday in the uk in years.
Train drivers even earn twice what a teacher does.

One thing I do find irritating is people who confuse what sociologists used to call the underclass with the working class. This group (Marx's lumpenproletariat) is a very specific social group characterised by lack of employability, anti-social behaviour, borderline criminality, poor educational attainment etc. The working class is a completely different category.

They are and always have been the biggest problem for governments because pulling people out of generational poor parenting, poverty, petty crime, resistance to education and training and total lack of aspiration is an eternal struggle. Worth trying, obvs, but probably impossible to achieve for everyone.

Totally missing the point but whatever

You've seen a couple of threads. But that nowhere near balances the fact that this is a site with a predominantly MC culture and that every day there are threads overtly or indirectly belittling things associated with being WC. If you're seeing 'a lot more hatred' directed at MC people, I genuinely don't know where you're seeing it.
For one thing, social class is a blurry concept with very little consensus as to what criteria decides it. I'm assuming for example you consider yourself MC, yet your income and background would have other people define you as WC. Likewise your train driver, if she happens to be married to a doctor on £80k, what class are they?
I think its possible that what you're interpreting as anti MC is actually anti snobbery. People tired of having their lifestyles and choices seen as lesser, of having people view them as socially inferior refusing to apologise for themselves and calling the snobbery out.

This exactly.

Totally ignore all WC people that don't live on a dodgy estate, interested in their kids education, eat proper meals, speak clearly and are educated etc etc etc.

Which I would say is the majority of people

It's also seems to be assumed on here that middle class is what people should/ do aspire top

But the things you are saying at not necessarily MC things. Plenty of WC people eat interesting things, care about schools etc

The teen chops up alphonso mangoes to make sorbet whilst listening to rap. What class is that?

It's fucking irrelevant basically.

I think anyone who accuses someone who enjoys reading of being "insufferably middle class" is just thick, couldn't get myself worked up by someone spewing nonsense like that.

Not just mumsnet. I see it a lot on twitter, facebook etc. The one hating on a middle class mother for talking clearly to her child just explaining things around them had hundreds of comments. All basically agreeing that middle class mums talking to their kids is insufferable. I see middle class people being mocked for eating asparagus or salmon. Just minding their own business eating healthy food apparently means they think they’re better than everyone else.
Aside from the fact in 2026 middle class dosent necessarily even mean richer and more “privileged” than working class when train drivers earn double teachers.

So it’s open season to judge middle class people and call them insufferable for having harmless hobbies or eating something unusual but healthy. But if I said I don’t want a homeless drug addict to lick me and steal my purse I’m an evil snob?

I' don't want a homeless druggie stealing my purse either. And I love both salmon and asparagus.

What do those things have to do with class?

What am I saying is it’s not uncommon to hear people mocking middle class people for liking sourdough bread.

But if a middle class person said anything slightly negative about someone in the classes below them they’ve committed the cardinal sin of being a “snob”.

If youre new to this you can say, the belief is your class isn’t just based on your current income but on how you were raised and your hobbies and you cannot change your class. Saw someone say they can apparently tell what class someone is in as soon as they start talking.

Anyway I don’t think I’m the only middle class person to resent being lectured on my privilege by people earning twice as much as me and then being mocked and called pretentious for eating an egg on some sourdough toast.

I’ve not noticed this, at all.

i do think the obsession with class is fr those who deem themselves be middle class though

So is it only middle class people that are pretentious for what they eat?? Can working class people eat their egg on sourdough without being mocked?

You tell me.

Faux rhetorical questions just come up chippy tho'...Make a point, stop trying to trap people.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck what people eat. So long as it's not liver and bacon being eaten where I can smell it😫

No one’s mocking working class people for eating sourdough though? Are you being deliberately obtuse. It’s always “insufferable middle class yummy mummies with their privilege and sourdough bread”.

Well near enough all the stuff that Bunnyfluff is say that people mock the MC are not particularly MC are they? Like eating salmon or sourdough. How is that class related?

And explaining something to your child isn't class dependent with.

So if a MC person eats or does these things then they are pretentious. So surely a WC person doing these things is also pretentious.

If both are pretentious it's not a class thing

I don't know of anyone one mocking anyone for eating sourdough bread TBH.

Gives me indigestion so I tend to avoid it

I see far more on here of people insinuating that WC people are all on benefits, don't give a shit about their kids etc

I see much more sneering, if not outright mocking of people eating essentially 'poor' food like pappy bread (aka the bread that most people eat), basic fish fingers etc