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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

OP posts:
Gemtastic · 15/04/2026 09:10

Hallamule · 15/04/2026 08:56

Which all sounds very sensible but again- no suggestion of reciprocity. Its just such a uniquely UK thing to want this family set up where all benefit and expectation (reasonable or otherwise) only flows one way.

I said we shouldn’t be individualistic as a society. Obviously we help each other out and it shouldn’t flow one way only. But when you’re in the trenches with very young children you haven’t got the capacity to help out much unless it’s an emergency. Further down the line, yes you’d hope the adult children would then help out their ageing parents. Not do full time caring but help out.

ViciousCurrentBun · 15/04/2026 09:10

DS is 25, he has a GF and they are about to move in together, they have made plain if it works out they would like kids when they are hitting 30 as want a few years of just being a couple. My health permitting DH and I will happily assist with some childcare but it won’t be the every week sort it would be school holidays and emergency cover type stuff. This is because we do not want to give up our lives but we never go on holiday in the school holidays, and would happily babysit so they could go out, I don’t want to end up like my sister who did childcare so they avoided nursery fees, week in and week out, she never took time off from it and was deeply resentful.

CautiousLurker2 · 15/04/2026 09:11

Just adding @WearyAuldWumman I am appalled about the treatment you and your late DH received. Actually appalled doesn’t cover it. You and he deserved so much better.

PinkHairbrushClub · 15/04/2026 09:14

My mum was very open with me that she didn't want to do regular childcare but would be there if we needed her. Which was fine as I didn't intend to ask her anyway. Not because she isn't wonderful, but for all the reasons the OP post lays out.

We have a great balance, and have done for many years (my kids are teens now). She loves having them and taking them places but it is all arranged around her life. We make no assumptions, and if she has plans we have to sort ourselves out, which is as it should be.

What I do know is that if there was a genuine emergency she would drop everything and be here in a heartbeat. If my kids choose to have families of their own I hope we have the same setup!

Motheranddaughter · 15/04/2026 09:14

NoisyViewer · 15/04/2026 07:05

Whilst I completely agree with your statement I did feel resentment towards my MIL. My mom before she got terminal cancer looked after my daughter. Loved to do it. In response to this help I spent a lot of time with her, took her places etc as she wouldn’t accept any payment. We had limited funds but everytime we took my mom out for dinner or the odd day out my MIL who made it very clear she wouldn’t be helping was offended and would often say we were leaving her out. Which is ridiculous she literally lived 2 streets away whilst my mom was a 5 minute car journey. She was always round my SIL when we visited meaning we’d have to go there to see her which we did several times a week. No issue but my daughter was not treated the same as her cousins. She was happily greeted and cuddled etc. but my nephew would be asked to perform a dance he’d made or do his show for us. When my daughter would try and get involved MIL would say just hold on darling this is the funny bit. She clearly had a favourite.

when my mom got ill I put my daughter in a private nursery and eventually through cost and care for my mom gave up work. I got pregnant with my second not ideal timing. Just after my son was born my mom became bed ridden and her care needs increased. I asked my MIL if she minded having my daughter for a couple of hours in the school holidays to give her break from seeing her nan dying & that was shot down like I asked her to drink a cup of lukewarm sick. She was to anxious and couldn’t do it. Luckily my SIL called me after her mom complained I’d asked and offered to help. She couldn’t believe her mom wouldn’t help out. SIL worked nights but when she woke would ring me and tell me to drop daughter round so I could go to my mom. I took SIL out and again MIL kicked off about being left out. I had to explain it was a thank you for helping me out.

fast forward 15 years and I now have a MIL very rapidly becoming more vulnerable (copd due to years of smoking & now vaping) and dependent. Her and SIL are estranged and at a family party I’ve had a very interesting conversation with my husbands aunt on how she needs help and would it hurt me (we live 45 minutes away now) to come over in the week and take her shopping. I am not impressed. We have visited my MIL consistently, we see her most weeks, we take her out we’ve never held her lack of help in desperate times against her, I only wanted to protect my daughter from seeing pain. I was taking my new born son with me. She’s probably babysat a handful of times & each time I’ve been made to feel she’s done us a massive favour that we stopped asking. I know her care is going to fall on me and my hubby and as I don’t work I know it’s going to be me, she’s not an enjoyable person. She talks nothing other than depressing things. Talks at you & doesn’t want a response really as she just over talks you when you try & criticises everything you do. So where do people stand on this? Do we do our duty. We didn’t sign up to be carers. There’s also an expectation on kids to care for their aging ill parents. Do I say fuck her when she obviously needs help? Big part wants to but I can’t be this heartless. Aren’t relationships meant to be 2 way street. If we measuring who gets what from whom I’d say MIL relationship is an 80 - 20 on who given and who received. I can appreciate the dread of grandparents being asked to help, as I have this exact same thing now & I have added resentment. Because whilst I don’t think about how she wasn’t there ever, that conversation with her sister surely bought those feelings flooding to the surface and I feel a little angry about it. People choose to have kids I get that, but with the cost of everything, if they had to have all ducks in a row to have them they very well may miss the boat. Money is tight, expectations are higher & a little help from your family shouldn’t be expected but by gosh you’d hope the person who proclaims they love you the most may step in and provide some

Any help should be given by your DH

GlovedhandsCecilia · 15/04/2026 09:14

FluffMagnet · 15/04/2026 09:04

Of course it has something to do with this conversation! Nuclear families are becoming more and more isolated, and having fewer children. The birthrate in this country is falling and with an aging population to support, this is a huge concern. State pensions are paid by the current working population - there is no "pot" that you have personally accrued. If we cannot support young families to have more children (both by state apparatus and familial bonds) we - the country - are going to end up in dire straits where we cannot afford to support the elderly.

I find it baffling that anyone would willingly watch a family member suffer, and not do anything to help if you have the ability. Upwards or downwards in terms of generations. Obviously not to the extent it takes over your life, but each case has a happy medium.

Yes and many hands make light work.

In my fanily, of course there are GPs who can't help with their GCs, or childless elderly Aunts, or independent adults with no real support needs of their own other than companionship and occasional cheerleading.

In all of these cases, the wider network steps up and fills that role. So in many practical ways, my mum is more of a GM to my cousin's kids than her sister (my aunt) is, because my Aunt has disabilities.

We all make sure my childfree Great Aunt is included and that her needs are met. She doesnt want to move in with my mum, but she can.

My childfree cousin makes sure she takes my single mother cousin's kids out to buy them clothes and uniform and stuff, just because she could do with that support. In turn, we make sure her mum is fine when my childfree cousin is off gallivanting the world.

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 09:15

BelBridge · 15/04/2026 09:02

And let me guess: you rely on childcare provided by a family member?

Nope. Read my first post on the thread. My children have never been left unsupervised with my parents for even an hour. I would never do that because they are not kind people and have a very entitled, extremely selfish and condescending attitude just like the OP. And yes, visiting them is indeed a chore which my children complain about. I’ve put myself out a lot to go and visit them and try to facilitate some sort of relationship between them and my children because I thought it would be nice for my children but I’m increasingly less convinced of that.

I’ve been a lone parent since my children were babies and they’ve never offered to lift a finger, not that I’d accept this if they did as I often have to intervene when we visit them to stop them being unkind to my children.

When they invite themselves to my house, now my children are older I’m obviously not in the same room as them at all times. If I go to fold some washing or even to the toilet then they start lecturing me about how they “didn’t agree to do childcare” even though my children are now 7 and 9 and the days of me taking them to the toilet with me are long gone. The OP sounds a lot like them.

Brunts12 · 15/04/2026 09:15

UraniumFlowerpot · 15/04/2026 04:09

This reads quite black and white, reality is usually more nuanced.

no childcare => no visits, I agree this doesn’t make strict logical sense. But often grandparents express a sense of entitlement to family visits, and days out, may have quite specific ideas of what family time should look like and how children should behave. Those expectations concrete work for the parents, and a sense that instead of helping me with the existing challenges of raising kids you’re actually adding more.

More generally, the attitude around refusing to help is similar to the general growth of individualistic every-(wo)man-for-themselves philosophies. The urge to have children can be very deep and strong. It is natural and normal. In a cost of living crisis I find it cruel to glibly say to people who long for a family but struggle with the financial side “don’t have kids if you can’t support them yourselves”. We were never meant to live these very separate nuclear family lives, and economic changes of the last couple of decades have really crippled a lot of people who have tried hard to do everything right. It makes sense in that situation that people would reach out to their families for help, and that they would feel really quite hurt by a grandparent deciding that their multiple annual holidays and 5 spare bedrooms are more important than helping the parents through the difficult early childhood years and the impossible costs of even modest family housing.

So while I take your point that it’s not good to assume this is all that grandparents are for, and I understand that everyone quite reasonably has their own hopes and plans for their own lives that might not revolve around endless childcare for extended family… I do think you’ve been a bit harsh in some of what you’ve said.

ps I live far enough away from my own parents and from in-laws that I’ll never be asking any of them for any childcare whatsoever, but expect to put in enormous amounts of time, effort and money over the years to facilitate as much relationship as possible. So none of what I’ve said is defensiveness on my side, just trying to add a bit of empathy and nuance.

Totally agree with you @UraniumFlowerpot and we are in a very much similar family situation as you are.

Katypp · 15/04/2026 09:15

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 09:10

What you appear to have misunderstood is that the state pension is a welfare benefit, so over 50% of what is listed on your HMRC app as the welfare expense is pensions. It dwarfs the cost of any benefit to working-aged people. It is more than the cost of disability benefits, out of work benefits, childcare funding, child benefit, housing support costs and general living support costs for the low paid from universal credit combined.

Nope. Pensions are listed seperately. Third in list. Look at yours.
But as i said, this has nothing to do with this thread. Unless you are implying that pensioners have an obligation because workers ars paying for their pensions?
Yet another thing that younger people seem to think is a problem unique to them.
It's the way pensions have always worked.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/04/2026 09:15

BelBridge · 15/04/2026 09:00

I completely agree with you OP. I hate the argument that childcare is the only way they’ll see their grandchildren. It is such a manipulative stance. That’s like me saying I’ll only have a relationship with my mother if she’s prepared to come round and clean my house. Labour should not be transacted for love and affection.

I think a lot of this stems from so many women having useless husbands/partners and rather than tackling that, they rely on their mothers to effectively be the second parent.

I think you're oversimplifying the equation though.

If my parents had not volunteered to pick up my dd from school twice a week, they would have seen her once every couple of weeks. Not because we'd have been punishing them for not helping - we never had any expectation that they would help - but simply because the reality of our busy lives would not have meant that it was possible to visit during the week, so visits would have been restricted to weekends only, and then not every weekend because we frequently had other things that we wanted and needed to do as well.

So, because of their kind offer to help, my parents saw dd 2 or 3 times a week instead of once every couple of weeks. Inevitably, that makes a difference to the kind of bond that they form.

The fact that they were so willing and eager to step up and help when dd was small has also made a difference to how I have felt about supporting them in their old age. It is much easier to support and care for elderly parents if you have the perception that they have done their best to be helpful and supportive when in a position to do so.

So no, I don't think anyone is obliged to provide care or support if they don't want to, but I think it's a bit foolish to assume that these things don't make any difference to how family members feel about each other. Inevitably, they do.

99bottlesofkombucha · 15/04/2026 09:16

Gemtastic · 15/04/2026 08:46

You’ve made this into a polarised argument citing women who are doing ALL the childcare for their adult children. But there is a middle ground where you help in emergencies or to give the parents the odd evening/day off. I would argue that’s perfectly reasonable and not sacrificing your life or turning you into a burden animal.

If you can’t manage that - illness or disability aside - then you’re not a great family support. If you sit at home waiting for the young family to travel miles to see you, then that might be a you problem. If you do this when YOU had lots of support yourself that DOES say more about you than your children.

Of course there are loads of layers of nuance between these extremes and I can’t rehearse all the scenarios. But the basic principle for me is that you help out your family if you can. You don’t take over parenting. You don’t sacrifice your life. But you do offer support and a helping hand from time to time. Otherwise that just sums up our me, me, me, entitled society where it’s all about the individual and not about our friends, families, communities and society. We have moved in that direction but I don’t believe it’s for the good of us all.

My friends are grandparents and they manage to have very active social lives, plenty of me time, loads of holidays. They don’t take over parenting. They’re not burdened. They also occasionally look after their grandchildren. It’s really not so hard and they all have excellent relationships with their children and grandchildren.

This is my parents, it’s a lifesaver being able to drop them over there for the inset days at school or for a day in the holidays. They also have us over every couple of weeks and cook dinner and send extra cake home. We wouldn’t have time to visit if they weren’t offering dinner. My dc said to me recently can I pretend I’m his grandma- me surprised um NO, why?? Him: then you’d just be really fun and not make us do all the jobs…

Flipflop93 · 15/04/2026 09:17

glitterpaperchain · 15/04/2026 08:51

OP here has one of the nastiest attitudes I've seen on MN, and that's saying something!

Regardless of my thoughts on her position, reading all of her responses to others, the nasty attitude has really made my skin crawl.

I totally agree.
I think if you have a child that is withholding contact to your grandchildren you might want to reflect on your own parenting and maybe consider why.

Either you are unpleasant to be around or you have not done a very good job at raising your child to be a kind an empathetic person.

Child care or not I love to see the relationship between my parents and children. It is so special.

Brunts12 · 15/04/2026 09:18

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 04:12

Ah the old chuck some "nuanced" mud in the water and claim "empathy" because the simplicity of the truth is a bit confronting ploy.

No. No, I don't thnk we will.

Everything already asked and answered.

OP your response is incoherent and frankly rude.

WhatNextImScared · 15/04/2026 09:21

I absolutely agree with you BUT also at the same time think that people who at the age of grandmothers now have very little understanding of how emotionally and financially hard parenting is now compared to in the 80s and 90s. Mothers today are absolutely at the end of their tether. This is one of many reasons the birth rate is so low.

The expectations are so intense, from education to social pressure to issues around screen exposure and online influence. There is absolutely no support for anyone except for the lucky ones with willing GPs who live nearby. There is no community, no village. Most mothers are working full time as well as carrying the lion’s share of the rest of the mental load.

In short, mother’s lives are rubbish now. They also know the won’t get to retire till their mid/late seventies if at all due to the economy. There is no respite coming. They are angry about the idea that their mothers had an economically/socially easier time of it in mid life in the 90s and are also enjoying retirement. So I do understand the resentment.

I am lucky and have happily involved parents - BUT I tell them regularly that they can scale back their involvement at any time they want for exactly the reasons you state. Childcare is work. It is not their job. It should not be expected.

BUT, nevertheless, I get it. We are in a dreadful situation as women right now. Mothers are furious. Sometimes it comes out in unhelpful ways like this.

BelBridge · 15/04/2026 09:22

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/04/2026 09:15

I think you're oversimplifying the equation though.

If my parents had not volunteered to pick up my dd from school twice a week, they would have seen her once every couple of weeks. Not because we'd have been punishing them for not helping - we never had any expectation that they would help - but simply because the reality of our busy lives would not have meant that it was possible to visit during the week, so visits would have been restricted to weekends only, and then not every weekend because we frequently had other things that we wanted and needed to do as well.

So, because of their kind offer to help, my parents saw dd 2 or 3 times a week instead of once every couple of weeks. Inevitably, that makes a difference to the kind of bond that they form.

The fact that they were so willing and eager to step up and help when dd was small has also made a difference to how I have felt about supporting them in their old age. It is much easier to support and care for elderly parents if you have the perception that they have done their best to be helpful and supportive when in a position to do so.

So no, I don't think anyone is obliged to provide care or support if they don't want to, but I think it's a bit foolish to assume that these things don't make any difference to how family members feel about each other. Inevitably, they do.

But again, your situation is clearly not at all relevant to the point here. Your parents willingly volunteered-you did not attempt to emotionally manipulate them.

BelBridge · 15/04/2026 09:23

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 09:15

Nope. Read my first post on the thread. My children have never been left unsupervised with my parents for even an hour. I would never do that because they are not kind people and have a very entitled, extremely selfish and condescending attitude just like the OP. And yes, visiting them is indeed a chore which my children complain about. I’ve put myself out a lot to go and visit them and try to facilitate some sort of relationship between them and my children because I thought it would be nice for my children but I’m increasingly less convinced of that.

I’ve been a lone parent since my children were babies and they’ve never offered to lift a finger, not that I’d accept this if they did as I often have to intervene when we visit them to stop them being unkind to my children.

When they invite themselves to my house, now my children are older I’m obviously not in the same room as them at all times. If I go to fold some washing or even to the toilet then they start lecturing me about how they “didn’t agree to do childcare” even though my children are now 7 and 9 and the days of me taking them to the toilet with me are long gone. The OP sounds a lot like them.

Edited

You are also coming to this thread with a lot of your own baggage.

99bottlesofkombucha · 15/04/2026 09:24

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 09:00

Exactly. Very well put.

Unless you’re the op who says THERE IS NO NUANCE.

WiltedLettuce · 15/04/2026 09:27

saraclara · 15/04/2026 08:40

"You say “A family visit is not work…. spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.” Then you say “Childcare is work” which contradicts this since you have stated that you consider spending time with your younger family members to be work!"

She's right @ProjectHailMary
Childcare for one's grandchild is a huge responsibility. You're responsible for the safety of someone else's child, and you're on duty every second. I love doing occasional childcare for my DGD's but I'm knackered at the end of the day, and massively aware of my duty to keep them safe, happy and occupied

A family visit does not carry that pressure. I am not responsible for the children, their parents are. I am not having to be hyper alert or occupying (or being occupied by) the children every minute. I'm getting to chat to the adults I love and enjoy the company if my dear DGDs in a more relaxed way (and for a bit less time). When they leave I don't feel the need to collapse on my sofa and have an early night.

Edited

While I see your point from a grandparent's perspective, even if a family visit may not be "work" for you, it may be "work" for the parents who have to travel and look after their children in someone else's house. It may be "pressure" on the parents that they don't have the energy for after being at work and caring for their children all week. It's much easier generally for parents to look after children in their own homes.

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 09:28

Katypp · 15/04/2026 09:15

Nope. Pensions are listed seperately. Third in list. Look at yours.
But as i said, this has nothing to do with this thread. Unless you are implying that pensioners have an obligation because workers ars paying for their pensions?
Yet another thing that younger people seem to think is a problem unique to them.
It's the way pensions have always worked.

I’m an economist.

In 2024-25 total public expenditure was £1,370bn.

£313bn was on “welfare”. Of this, £151bn was state pensions, pension credit and other benefits to those over state pension age. £123bn is for working aged adults (£87.8bn) plus child benefit (£13.3bn). The other £40bn is accounted for by PIP and carer’s allowance, Northern Ireland social security (which is a separate budget), and departmental administration cost for the DWP.

£55bn on social care (vast majority of this is for the elderly)

£242bn on health (vast majority of this is for the elderly)

£125bn on debt interest.

£119bn on education.

£64bn on defence.

£51bn on justice.

£46bn on transport

£40bn on industry/ business

And then other smaller expenses.

In total, around 40% of public expenditure is spent on those over 65 even though they are only 15% of the UK population.

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 09:29

BelBridge · 15/04/2026 09:23

You are also coming to this thread with a lot of your own baggage.

Didn’t say I wasn’t. But my “baggage” is largely having parents like the OP so I could recognise another one instantly from the tone of her post.

MiserableMrsMopp · 15/04/2026 09:30

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/04/2026 07:36

Is that really true though?

I have an immense sense of duty and obligation towards my elderly parent, and I do a huge amount of daily unpaid labour to support that parent. I don't think I am alone in feeling like this.

No, it isn't totally true. But it is true of a certain demographic of poster on here. And the posters that expect childcare also tend to be the ones who expect inheritance now and also feel no responsibility for their ageing parents.

I suspect they're the same ones who want the big detached house with a SAHM, have cars on finance and foreign hols at least a couple of times a year. The world owes them types. Generationally they're millenials and Gen Z. But I suspect every generation has them. Selfish and self absorbed basically.

Needtoscream · 15/04/2026 09:30

Totally agree op .
I see my poor mil ,late 70s run ragged and poorly looking after her daughters children nearly every weekend..madness
I had 4 DC and raised them myself,my responsibility,no one else expected to do my job ..as it should be

Rhubarb24 · 15/04/2026 09:31

My grandparents practically brought me and my sister up. My mum never returned the favour. Neither did my dad. My MIL was all for her daughter's kids. As a result, my kids aren't really bothered about their grandparents. There's no bond there.

Edited to say, at least I can look in the mirror and say I did it on my own. My mum can't.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 15/04/2026 09:32

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

I absolutely agree with you that there shouldn't be a quid pro quo on visits and childcare.

But I also disagree strongly with the above.

Visiting my in laws is a chore. It's a chore that takes me away from the actual chores that need doing in my house, and requires me to do the childcare work in a harder environment. It is a relationship, but it's not one I cherish. I do it for my son, but it takes me away from my friends, reduces my free time, and not for my own benefit.

Visiting my parents is also a chore. As above, doing childcare (which you acknowledge is work), in a harder environment. I don't get to enjoy my parents company, because I'm doing the childcare - again, as you say, work. I don't get to enjoy visiting my parents in the same way I used to when I didn't have a toddler.

My parents visit us now in a way they NEVER did when I didn't have a child, and they demand several days of our time for a loose agenda that suits them but leaves us hanging around whilst they pick and choose what suits.

At Christmas, we chose to spend the majority of time with friends with toddlers. This made our time easier, pleasurable, and in fact, "spending time together, sharing conversation and affection" - it was not the sheer work that family time as you describe it.

But to be honest, this is mostly a false premise. The vast majority of families will sit in the middle, with some childcare and some family time too.

CuteOrangeElephant · 15/04/2026 09:32

PinkHairbrushClub · 15/04/2026 09:14

My mum was very open with me that she didn't want to do regular childcare but would be there if we needed her. Which was fine as I didn't intend to ask her anyway. Not because she isn't wonderful, but for all the reasons the OP post lays out.

We have a great balance, and have done for many years (my kids are teens now). She loves having them and taking them places but it is all arranged around her life. We make no assumptions, and if she has plans we have to sort ourselves out, which is as it should be.

What I do know is that if there was a genuine emergency she would drop everything and be here in a heartbeat. If my kids choose to have families of their own I hope we have the same setup!

This is what it is like with me and my mother as well, it works out great.

When we need her she is there, and it goes the other way around as well.

I have also realised my mother doesn't like baby and toddlers as much. Now DD is a bit older my mum will regularly pick her up and they will do some baking or crochet or gardening together. DD and DM have a great bond.

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