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British childhood/schooling versus elsewhere in Europe. Is it really so bad?

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Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 13:26

This morning I saw an Instagram post describing a British 5 year olds morning vs a Scandivian childs morning. It said that the British child will have a rushed and stressful experience being pushed out the door at 7am for school, whereas the Scandinavian child will have a slow morning looking at the frost on the grass outside before heading off to forest school in the afternoon.

I only have one European friend (as in still living abroad) with a same age child as me (4-5) and yes her child doesn't go to formal school but she goes to nursery which starts at 8am and finishes at 5pm because my friend and her husband still have a full time job.

The messaging seems to be that British children are locked away inside classrooms studying while their same age European peers are frolicking in the forests all day. For those who were schooled or whose children are schooled abroad, is this really true?

A school day here is only 6 hours with constant school holidays, seems like plenty of time for frolicking in the outdoors yet I constantly read that British children are shut away indoors, writing at desks and consequently have a miserable childhood. I'd love to hear about some of the differences abroad from those who have lived it, in terms of time spent outdoors/independence/attitudes to play vs academics etc.

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Meadowfinch · 12/04/2026 13:36

My ds' British upbringing wasn't like that.

At 5, ds got up at 7.45, had toast and homemade jam, and fruit for breakfast & I dropped him at school at 8.40am.

He left school at 3.15 and was walked down the lane to the ASC where he ran around with his little tribe having a great time until I collected him at 5.50.

Home, home cooked supper, half an hour of TV, then bath, story & bed by 7.45.

He's 18 this year, happy, healthy, going to read engineering in the autumn. Saturday job as a lifeguard, black belt in karate. Seems fairly chilled out. No obvious signs of stress.😍

It just sounds like more social media drivel to me OP.

Posner · 12/04/2026 13:42

My two kids love their schools, do loads of sport; we live in a lovely town and walking distance from the centre but also surrounded by green space… I could go on.

UK.

Very happy here. They’re enjoying their childhood and the opportunities available to them. Exactly the same as me, in the UK, decades ago.

Posner · 12/04/2026 13:43

So is this rushed, largely indoor, existence the life of your child @Rosacharmosa ?

SUUUUUUNNNNN · 12/04/2026 13:46

Sounds like you’re writing an article. What is your experience?

Natsku · 12/04/2026 13:56

I'm in Finland, both of my children were in nursery at 5 years old. I wasn't working when my daughter was that age so it really was a very relaxed time for her. Get up around 8 and have breakfast then a pleasant walk or bike ride to nursery, there for 6 hours playing with her friends (no forest school though) then nice walk or bike ride home then out to play with the neighbourhood kids for the rest of the day.

For my son it was getting up early, long walk (nearly 5km) or bike ride to nursery early in the morning arriving soon after 7 so I could get to college for 8, then he'd be there until sometime between 3 and 5 in the afternoon. Long days but long days just spent playing with friends and this time lots of time in the forest.

He's now in school, in 1st grade. School starts at 8 every day this year (it can vary) so he has to get up at half 6 in order to leave at half 7 (walking or biking by himself) but school is only 4 hours (5 on Tuesdays) then he goes to afterschool club until 3 then heads home himself and does his homework. He has sports or other activities every evening (all his choice, refuses to drop any). School is much shorter in terms of time but there are a lot of expectations. He's off school right now recovering from surgery but he is still expected to do his school work every day so he doesn't fall behind - I had to go pick up his school books for him. I can't imagine a teacher insisting on that in the UK!

Posner · 12/04/2026 14:15

SUUUUUUNNNNN · 12/04/2026 13:46

Sounds like you’re writing an article. What is your experience?

Yep, me too.

Tumbleweed from the OP

Outdoorpillowlady · 12/04/2026 14:23

I was educated in Luxembourg. And my son is happily educated in the UK.

The UK is much more fun, much less pressure and the curriculum is very good. Compared to my experience in Luxembourg

The main difference I can see amongst my European friends and their children is that children in the UK grow up and mature quicker. Also a very strong sense of "self"

MariaMagdalenaa · 12/04/2026 14:24

Scandinavian here living in London. One of the things I really hated about my kindergarten as a child was having to be outside all the time come rain or shine or freezing conditions.

Outdoorpillowlady · 12/04/2026 14:24

Did I fall for an AI / Journo again?? Fuck sakes.

mzpq · 12/04/2026 14:33

My children used to get up for school at 7.30am.

I've never pushed them out of any doors, ever.

Nor were they 'shut away' indoors.

With such silly language, it's hard to take your opening post seriously.

Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 16:52

Sorry been out for Sunday lunch! Noo not a journalist or writing an article lol 😆

I'm genuinely just curious because while I love the idea of a really outdoorsy, relaxed childhood (which I guess is why my algorithm gives me these posts) I just don't quite buy the idea that the UK has got it completely wrong and the rest of Europe is far superior.

We live in a town and my daughter is in reception, she doesn't start until 8:45. She walks/scoots in to school and we seem to have plenty of time in the mornings. I then pick her up at 3:15 and we walk/scoot back. She goes to bed about 8 and it feels like we have loads of time in the evening to get out and about. We have dogs so usually end up in the woods somewhere or at the park.

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Everybodysinthehousetonight · 12/04/2026 16:57

Try SE Asia, British kids are practically on holiday at school compared to there 🤣

Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 16:58

mzpq · 12/04/2026 14:33

My children used to get up for school at 7.30am.

I've never pushed them out of any doors, ever.

Nor were they 'shut away' indoors.

With such silly language, it's hard to take your opening post seriously.

I agree, but this is the language I see and I see it on here as well, the idea that kids in the UK start school too young whereas in the rest of Europe they get a proper, outdoorsy childhood. I'll try and refind the Instagram post that made me start this thread. I just don't see why the UK school system is so bad when they are only there 6 hours and are seemingly constantly on half term 😂 hence wondering what it's actually like in other countries.

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Posner · 12/04/2026 16:59

Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 16:52

Sorry been out for Sunday lunch! Noo not a journalist or writing an article lol 😆

I'm genuinely just curious because while I love the idea of a really outdoorsy, relaxed childhood (which I guess is why my algorithm gives me these posts) I just don't quite buy the idea that the UK has got it completely wrong and the rest of Europe is far superior.

We live in a town and my daughter is in reception, she doesn't start until 8:45. She walks/scoots in to school and we seem to have plenty of time in the mornings. I then pick her up at 3:15 and we walk/scoot back. She goes to bed about 8 and it feels like we have loads of time in the evening to get out and about. We have dogs so usually end up in the woods somewhere or at the park.

And you’re in the uk or not?

either way… this sounds identical to many children in the Uk

Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 16:59

Outdoorpillowlady · 12/04/2026 14:24

Did I fall for an AI / Journo again?? Fuck sakes.

I promise I'm not but don't know how to prove it 🤣

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Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 16:59

Posner · 12/04/2026 16:59

And you’re in the uk or not?

either way… this sounds identical to many children in the Uk

Yep in the UK

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Posner · 12/04/2026 17:00

Rosacharmosa · 12/04/2026 16:59

Yep in the UK

Well then your thread is peculiar because you already know the UK isn’t as your friend thinks

Bromeliads · 12/04/2026 17:03

My kids much preferred reading and Maths to forest school!

VickyEadieofThigh · 12/04/2026 17:04

I'm 67, so it's now 62 years since I started school. I have to say that I would've been bored shitless spending whole mornings "looking at the frost on the grass" as a child and HATED being cold.

Itsmetheflamingo · 12/04/2026 17:05

What a load of shit 😂 the harassed stressed British child and the relaxed chill Scandinavian 😂

check out PISA scores- Britian scores highly educational attainment - before deciding who go compare too.

and don’t forget how different culture is generally in other countries

OneTimeThingToday · 12/04/2026 17:10

When mine lived in Cyprus school started at 7.30am. But it did finish by 1pm!

People forget wgen they say that "School starts at 6yo" that is formal, at desks education, not a play based curriculum lije Reception. Thats preschool/kindergarden etc.

EspanaPorfavor · 12/04/2026 17:10

I’m in Spain and primary school is 9-4.30 with a 2.5 hour lunch break where you can go and get your child if you want but I work so they have lunch and extracurricular activities at school instead. DS at secondary is 8.30-3.30. Neither are outside much.

What I miss about Britain are the half term holidays. In Spain we get 11 weeks in the summer (I’m a teacher so for me I love it!) but no half terms. We’re all exhausted by the end of the terms and September is a massive adjustment.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 12/04/2026 17:12

There isn't a UK school system. Scotland has its own education. My grandsons start between 8.45 and 9. It's a soft start. Dgs1 is in P2 and dgs2 is at nursery( pre school). Education for them is playing based with a full day of outdoor activities for dgs1 each week, as well as a daily mile activity. Dgs2 is outside every day. Nursery closes at 2.30 but pick up can be til 2.45 and school at 3. Dgs1 was deferred for a year so started school at 5 and a half. Dgs2 will start school this August at nearly 5. Plenty of time to play after school

Greenolivio · 12/04/2026 17:15

Mine are in school 9-3:15, we walk to school and often play in the park/ woods after school (which is right next to school) with lots of other children. They also have forest school and beach school. We are UK, (England). Definitely not shut indoors.

turkeyboots · 12/04/2026 17:17

Primary in most of Europe starts formal learning later, but they are all in preschool. Ireland has a similar primary structure to the UK, but kids start later and there is an extra year before going to secondary age 12. But primary is half days for the first 2 years, and the next 2 finish at 2pm most of the time.
A nightmare to work around, but significantly more relaxed than the English system.