Resident doctors what on earth ...

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...are you playing at. A 28% increase Wes Street today said since they came into power. The BMA might be bullish but if you are a junior doctor give us your view please ? In any other professional job in industry you may have studied for years but you start at the bottom and you work your way up and money and progression comes over time.
I'd like to hear from actual resident doctors now they have their last day off.
And if you are not a doctor do you support this or not? Why?
I'm all for making things fairer for all but this is now a joke and putting people's lives at risk for more money is not the ethos I'd expect from health care

No they have been in place for at least ten years

Show me any public servant career at the moment where anyone recommends folk to take it as a career...

Do you seriously think people go into medicine for the money? Was it medicine or investment banking?

The PAs don’t get the pay rises during their career that F1 doctors do though do they?

Is this true? If so I would be surprised - and much more sympathetic.

I think it’s fair that UK medical graduates (graduates of UK universities who are UK citizens) get priority over others for training places.

I think it’s fair that they are given the option to rank locations in which to train rather than be allocated somewhere at random.

I think it’s fair that the most talented medical graduates get first pick of locations / specialities.

I think that the cost of the first sitting of any mandatory qualifications are paid for.

I think it’s fair that any trainees know the location of their rotation a year + in advance.

I don’t think it’s fair that they get pay restoration when a) it’s unaffordable and b) many other public sector workers haven’t had inflation-based pay rises.

I don’t think it’s fair to compare UK doctors salaries to those who work in countries with an insurance-based funding method that draws in private funding for the healthcare system.

I know a lot of lawyers and they say the same thing. DS has always wanted to be a lawyer and (despite a probable first class degree from a top uni) it’s not looking great. It’s not just drs who have it tough at the mo.

True. And educators.

They have jobs in one place for life. Doctors don't, some don't even have jobs. Despite being better qualified and cheaper 🤷‍♀️

They don't want a pay 'rise'. They want restoration to where it would be with inflation.

This. Medicine is a global market. If we're not paying doctors enough here, they'll go somewhere that will.

I fully support them. They see terrible, traumatic things and have to have the most emotionally debilitating conversations with patients and their families. They deserve a wage and conditions that reflect the huge responsibility they carry.

But we don’t have an issue filling our medical jobs now, the state is skint. Why pay them more now when we don’t need to.

And? You have no gods given right to pay restoration. Your employer is the state and the state is skint. There are plenty of people applying to fill the roles.

She has enjoyed the break catching up with friends and being away from the pressure.

Omfg. I've read it all now.

???? I'm not a doctor 😂. I just think they are massively underpaid. But good to know your thoughts . Go bang some pots if there's another pandemic.

My pay is determined by supply and demand. There’s lots of supply of doctors. I live in Scotland where healthcare is much worse than in England because Scotland gave drs unaffordable pay rises and now any money increases in NHS funding gets entirely swallowed up by pay. It’s totally unsustainable. Don’t give doctors endless pay rises without taking a damn good look at the consequences of that policy here.

So you want the NHS to be completely reliant forever more on Doctors from abroad? You don’t actually mind if we train our own Doctors and they work abroad? Or perhaps you might suggest we stop training any Doctors at all? Oh and I don’t think anyone else has mentioned this but there’s a ticking time bomb with a generation of Consultants who will be retiring within the next 10 years, where will their replacements be?

Why indeed……….?

That is the point.

The news has barely touched on what has really been going on.

i think we should train and retain our own doctors. I know lots of UK medical graduates that don’t give damn what they’re paid, they just want a job in the UK and aren’t able to get one due to the influx of overseas doctors. I don’t think the current pay structure is an issue with anyone apart from the BMA. It’s the JOBS that are the issue, but the government won’t move on jobs while the BMA keep going on about pay. Drop the pay demands, concentrate on jobs.

I agree, even if the pay is too low, as it is effectively zero if you don’t have a job.

I've not read the full thread I will admit but my experience with NHS is such a waste of money, you get referred to someone for an issue (wait 1hr for 5 minutes), they decide that's not the issue but don't look into what the issue might be so you get referred back to your GP and either give up or try to find the right consultant to look at your problem - there is no continuity of care, no 'lets get to the route of the problem' most of us give up. More money spent on primary care where we can talk about more than one problem and join things together rather than refer to each specialist who knows fuck all about other issues would be so much better. Too much money wasted, Specialist Doctors should be paid well but they are getting random referrals due to primary care (GP'S) Ultimately - more GP's needed, family Doctors who get to know us.

Just out of interest, how many student/resident Drs do you interact with on a daily basis?

These are not students. They are fully qualified but undergoing postgraduate training as they work just like many healthcare professionals.
This isn't Dr Finlays casebook where a fictional GP worked 24/7 with a small list of patients and no life outside the village and everyone survived their illness unless they were old (ie over 50). This concept of the family doctor knowing the patient cannot exist with a transient population and the GP wanting a family and a work/life balance.

I know what they are. I work with them 40 hours a week. It is quite literally my job to facilitate their training. Hence my qq to the other poster, re how much time THEY spend with medical professionals.

Not sure which lawyers/accountants you know but most of the ones I know earn way over £100k outside London.

Some parts of the wider medical profession do receive bursaries conditional upon working in the NHS already, though I think this is normally for 2-3 years.